Southport attacker pleads guilty to murdering three girls | Sentenced to 52 years in prison

[Mr Kobayashi]

Do metalwork classes exist any more in schools?

They didn't when I was at school. I left school in 08.

Design and technology. I dont think chisels were commonly used in woodwork, blades from handsaws probably the only weapon that could be smuggled.

Kitchen knives in food tech, but that's once a week and once in a while that any cooking and food prep was done, and I'm they sure they were counted back in.

It's all a bit moot as the problem kids likely to carry knives aren't consistently attending school or indeed mainstream education.

 

[Scottyboi]

They didn't when I was at school. I left school in 08.

Design and technology. I dont think chisels were commonly used in woodwork, blades from handsaws probably the only weapon that could be smuggled.

Kitchen knives in food tech, but that's once a week and once in a while that any cooking and food prep was done, and I'm they sure they were counted back in.

It's all a bit moot as the problem kids likely to carry knives aren't consistently attending school or indeed mainstream education.

Was woodwork only for me too no idea why they stopped metalwork I left in 06.

 

[mexico1970]

When I went to school they trusted us with sharp things in the woodwork and metalwork classes.

Times change and youngsters get more stabby I suppose.

 

[Nethermoor]

Unduly Lenient Sentence scheme request received for Axel Rudakubana

The Law Officers have received a request to consider the sentence of Axel Rudakubana under the Unduly Lenient Sentence scheme.

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Whether you agree or not it's a hell of a sentence and he won't ever be released.

He has actually been given life with a minimum, so likely to spend the rest of his life behind bars

 

[Nethermoor]

There will be a lot calling for a death sentence here. But we're past that.

You can't use the idea that it would be cheaper to have him put to death too, as each death sentence and execution costs more than keeping a lifer in jail.

The US department of justice published this, albeit very old now:

Capital Punishment or Life Imprisonment? Some Cost Considerations | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

A New York study compared a $1.4 million cost figure for each death penalty trial with $602,000 for the cost of life imprisonment for 40 years in noncapital cases. Florida has estimated that the true cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life.

So the answer is it's about 6 times more to execute

 

[remember arthur mann]

There will be a lot calling for a death sentence here. But we're past that.

You can't use the idea that it would be cheaper to have him put to death too, as each death sentence and execution costs more than keeping a lifer in jail.

The US department of justice published this, albeit very old now:

Capital Punishment or Life Imprisonment? Some Cost Considerations | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

A New York study compared a $1.4 million cost figure for each death penalty trial with $602,000 for the cost of life imprisonment for 40 years in noncapital cases. Florida has estimated that the true cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life.

So the answer is it's about 6 times more to execute

Kinnell, they'd sort him out for a couple of pints in Newton Heath.

 

[Nethermoor]

Kinnell, they'd sort him out for a couple of pints in Newton Heath.

I'm not necessarily on about the morals, but just the true cost in law etc.

The reality is he will probably get shanked in prison. And no one will probably be shedding any tears for him if it does.

 

[mexico1970]

There will be a lot calling for a death sentence here. But we're past that.

You can't use the idea that it would be cheaper to have him put to death too, as each death sentence and execution costs more than keeping a lifer in jail.

The US department of justice published this, albeit very old now:

Capital Punishment or Life Imprisonment? Some Cost Considerations | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

A New York study compared a $1.4 million cost figure for each death penalty trial with $602,000 for the cost of life imprisonment for 40 years in noncapital cases. Florida has estimated that the true cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life.

So the answer is it's about 6 times more to execute

They really do need to find a cheaper way to put someone to death, that's an obscene amount of money to end someones life.

Wherever that figure is magicked up from it needs to be magicked away.

 

[mancityvstoke]

When I went to school they trusted us with sharp things in the woodwork and metalwork classes.

Times change and youngsters get more stabby I suppose.

It was always a bit stabby and slashy mate.....just more deaths now I assume and media attention. I've been in quite a few fights where blades were brought out or stanleys.

QPR away, at Maine Rd by 3 reds and Blackpool away.

 

[Nethermoor]

They really do need to find a cheaper way to put someone to death, that's an obscene amount of money to end someones life.

Wherever that figure is magicked up from it needs to be magicked away.

It's not the doing it, it's the cost of appeals etc.

You can't just go oh you're guilty off you go. You kill the wrong folk and you're as bad as the people you're killing.

In the USA they get automatic appeals and that costs money, a lot.

In the civilised world there's no place really anymore for executions. It doesn't work as a deterrent and it's not cheaper. It serves no real purpose. Sure some families may get a sense of revenge, but revenge is a temporary feeling for the majority.

 

[mexico1970]

It was always a bit stabby and slashy mate.....just more deaths now I assume and media attention. I've been in quite a few fights where blades were brought out or stanleys.

QPR away, at Maine Rd by 3 reds and Blackpool away.

I led a sheltered life mate, army was slightly more refined than the post code gimpathon they have these days.

But I didn't know one person who carried a knife growing up apart from those lucky bag penknives you couldn't lace a zit with :)

 

[mexico1970]

It's not the doing it, it's the cost of appeals etc.

You can't just go oh you're guilty off you go. You kill the wrong folk and you're as bad as the people you're killing.

In the USA they get automatic appeals and that costs money, a lot.

In the civilised world there's no place really anymore for executions. It doesn't work as a deterrent and it's not cheaper. It serves no real purpose. Sure some families may get a sense of revenge, but revenge is a temporary feeling for the majority.

Let's have a referendum ehh mate?

 

[Scottyboi]

It was always a bit stabby and slashy mate.....just more deaths now I assume and media attention. I've been in quite a few fights where blades were brought out or stanleys.

QPR away, at Maine Rd by 3 reds and Blackpool away.

When I was a teenager in the 2000s many people were stabbed to death, especially with the garage scene and the birth of grime, Ayia Napa was bad for it too. I think CCTV and mobiles mean it is captured more than ever.

 

[mancityvstoke]

When I was a teenager in the 2000s many people were stabbed to death, especially with the garage scene and the birth of grime, Ayia Napa was bad for it too. I think CCTV and mobiles mean it is captured more than ever.

exactly....no mobiles grassing you up or cctv back in the day....carnage at home/away games outside.

Liverpool/everton away worse than most places. London clubs too.

 

[paulchapo]

There will be a lot calling for a death sentence here. But we're past that.

You can't use the idea that it would be cheaper to have him put to death too, as each death sentence and execution costs more than keeping a lifer in jail.

The US department of justice published this, albeit very old now:

Capital Punishment or Life Imprisonment? Some Cost Considerations | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

A New York study compared a $1.4 million cost figure for each death penalty trial with $602,000 for the cost of life imprisonment for 40 years in noncapital cases. Florida has estimated that the true cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life.

So the answer is it's about 6 times more to execute

That's using the States example which doesn't compare to probably anywhere else in the world. If they keeping appealing it can take up to twenty years before every avenue is exhausted, hence the huge cost involved.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I reckon that animals robbed 3 little girls of probably 75 years life each so 225 year sentence would seem appropriate, if it's still with us after that consider parole hearing.

 

[Nethermoor]

That's using the States example which doesn't compare to probably anywhere else in the world. If they keeping appealing it can take up to twenty years before every avenue is exhausted, hence the huge cost involved.

And if they ever brought it back here, do you think it would be different? We are comparable to the states culturally if not legally.

I mean we won't ever bring it back, so it's a moot point... but if we did you have to be sure it's the right person. And they deserve it.

Using the Southport kid, it was an open shut case and he probably would deserve it if it was law.

Not sure he would get the death penalty in the US as it's usually for cases where there's a murder with a rape, robbery etc.

 

[i kne albert davy]

And if they ever brought it back here, do you think it would be different? We are comparable to the states culturally if not legally.

I mean we won't ever bring it back, so it's a moot point... but if we did you have to be sure it's the right person. And they deserve it.

Using the Southport kid, it was an open shut case and he probably would deserve it if it was law.

Not sure he would get the death penalty in the US as it's usually for cases where there's a murder with a rape, robbery etc.

If we had the death penalty(we we'd only get if there was a referendum) he wouldn't receive it even though he fully deserves to be dispatched he was only 17 .

 

[paulchapo]

And if they ever brought it back here, do you think it would be different? We are comparable to the states culturally if not legally.

I mean we won't ever bring it back, so it's a moot point... but if we did you have to be sure it's the right person. And they deserve it.

Using the Southport kid, it was an open shut case and he probably would deserve it if it was law.

Not sure he would get the death penalty in the US as it's usually for cases where there's a murder with a rape, robbery etc.

As you rightly said it's a moot point as it will never be brought back in the UK. Life in prison might seem an easy option but in reality it isn't. It's living but just basic living, existing really. You eat, sleep, can watch some TV, get basic treats but you're not really living and enjoying life as it should be enjoyed.

 

[Gaz76]

I do wish they would take that picture of him down, the one where he has long hair and mad eyes that's being splashed all over MSM, must be heartbreaking for anyone involved to see that pic, replace it with one of him getting twatted and crying for his life the little shithouse