It’s Quiet 20 - What is the Wirtz that could happen?

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Cobwebcat said:
That was a long time ago though. He suited Villa but I don’t think would solve anything now or we would buy him.

Juve cannot wait to get rid of him and they paid what £50 mill for him?

People think the overwhelming problem is getting legs in midfield so somebody can charge around and get stuck in. Maybe that would help a tiny bit in some games agreed but it’s far from the answer.

Gundo has never had to cover the distance we are asking him to now. He hasn’t aged overnight. Everyone looks tired because we aren’t keeping the ball in midfield…just look at the PSG game and the passing stats..it’s not like us.

Luiz doesn’t help with the solution, he is a sticking plaster at best. The sooner we find players to play the way we want to the better as we aren’t designed for charging about. Any move for Luiz would be an admission that we have failed to find anyone. If we have to I’d keep to our principles and suffer or even try Nico there.

We are going to need a Gundo replacement and a very good DM anyway because the former will most likely leave in the Summer and we can’t have no answer to Rodri getting injured again.

Not signing another DM, and bringing Gundo back not knowing that Rodri was going to get a season ending injury was,in hindsight, two errors. We still have those fundamental errors and Luiz isn’t better than what we have unless we are admitting we are going to play differently.

Kimmich, despite his age, would improve us much more because he keeps the ball under pressure annd is intelligent and Florian would be a dream as another CM. Neither of which we are odds on to get this Window but I’m sure we are still looking.

The Luiz stories are primarily coming from Juve and the player’s agent. I doubt Juve would loan him even if we went along with the charade. We aren’t buying him thank god so it looks like a none story to me right now.
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The problem we are having is that Kovacic is goosed at the 70 minute mark & as Pep doesn't seem to be willing to throw either Wright or O'Reilly in the only other option seems to be Gundogan.

Although Ilkay filled that role when he was younger, he no-longer has the legs to do it & is made attacking left centre midfield his position. Luiz would probably get us to summer & we would have a better idea of how Rodris' recover has gone.
 
to be fair I didnt think end of December we will arrive into 27th of January ad still no midfielder signed.
good news is window isnt closing on Friday but next Monday the 3rd.

but to play vs Arsenal actually Friday is the deadline.
 
Damanino said:
to be fair I didnt think end of December we will arrive into 27th of January ad still no midfielder signed.
good news is window isnt closing on Friday but next Monday the 3rd.

but to play vs Arsenal actually Friday is the deadline.
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Dont see any mid being signed starting that game anyway, even if they sign in the next 10 minutes.
 
skillman said:
Wednesday is key.

We win, we sign a midfielder.
We lose, we stick with what we have.

IMO anyway.
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If our main midfield target would come here on a permanent move rather than a loan, I highly doubt that being part of the CL knockout stages this season would be of great importance. If they stay here 5+ years there would be plenty of CL games
 
Delphinho said:
If our main midfield target would come here on a permanent move rather than a loan, I highly doubt that being part of the CL knockout stages this season would be of great importance. If they stay here 5+ years there would be plenty of CL games
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Might not be wholly their decision. The club might not want to invest more without the CL revenue.
 
robbieh said:
Marmoush showed in 60 minutes what a world class player looks like. It's a combination of things. Ability and confidence in that ability being important. He just looked like he had that X factor. We've had a few the last decade.
Not sure McAtee has that. He'd be an absolutely great squad player who would get plenty of minutes when we're running down games but that might not be what he wants. He is currently in competition with Foden, Bobb soon, Savinho, Doku, Grealish and now Marmoush.
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World class? Don’t get me wrong he looks great, but world class is thrown around way too much. De Bruyne carrying us to multiple trophies and being the best player on the pitch is world class, Marmoush isn’t at that level yet.

I’d argue Doku isn’t good enough, grealish probably leaving and Bobbs barely played a game, so I think there’s enough room for Mcatee to get game time. Bernardo and Kev could also be leaving at the end of the season as well.

We need goals and creativity at the minute, something Mcatee offers, which most of our attackers don’t. We also need to start thinking long term, as if we sell, we’d have to spend another 50’m on a replacement.
 
If we consider the triple CM system with Bernie, Gundogan, and Kovacic, we need defensive midfielders who can control the ball and tempo like these players.

I do think for now, KdB, Grealish and Bobb should play in these midfield spots as well to give those 3 players more rest but also add that slight bit more cutting edge.

I'd be completely happy in this window, to just get ONE midfielder, high profile immediately ready and for the future.

We can then get 2 more in the summer as we move on from whoever leaves from Bernie, Gundogan, Kovacic and/or KdB (I imagine atleast 2 of these to move on).
 
skillman said:
Wednesday is key.

We win, we sign a midfielder.
We lose, we stick with what we have.

IMO anyway.
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This doesn't reconcile with what we have always heard about the club.

We always hear they plan transfers over a longer-term period, so why would one game suddenly become a major pivot point?
 
foggy1974 said:
The problem we are having is that Kovacic is goosed at the 70 minute mark & as Pep doesn't seem to be willing to throw either Wright or O'Reilly in the only other option seems to be Gundogan.

Although Ilkay filled that role when he was younger, he no-longer has the legs to do it & is made attacking left centre midfield his position. Luiz would probably get us to summer & we would have a better idea of how Rodris' recover has gone.
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I think Pep is right it’s more we are giving the ball away so then have to run more. Don’t give the ball away.
 
Delphinho said:
If our main midfield target would come here on a permanent move rather than a loan, I highly doubt that being part of the CL knockout stages this season would be of great importance. If they stay here 5+ years there would be plenty of CL games
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I'm assuming it's about outlay. If we go through, we'll be playing more games and need extra bodies in midfield but if we don't get through, there'll be extra days rest for the squad.

I presume it's easier to get targets in the Summer than in January too.
 
KingGeorge said:
This doesn't reconcile with what we have always heard about the club.

We always hear they plan transfers over a longer-term period, so why would one game suddenly become a major pivot point?
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This January is different, though, isn't it? We've dipped into the Winter market this year for the first time since Laporte (I believe?) so it's a bit of an anomaly.

The squad has been reliably fine for years but this season it's so obvious they need legs. But if we don't get CL football then that might be fine because of longer breaks between games. If we win, we'll need the extra legs.
 
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