Andy Burnham | Manchester Mayor

Vic said:
Nay, nay and thrice nay.

Well, just questions really.

If I'm commuting in from Marple, the train takes 4 minutes from Ashburys to Piccadilly (station). How long will it take to get onto new tram tracks (segregated or mixed with road traffic?) and then through the Metrolink station? Balance that against presumably a better (presumably 12 minute) frequency with trams.

But a Beswick tram station near the ground? After a match, would you walk a mile to Ashton Old Road to queue for a tram or a mile and a half direct to Piccadilly station?

If there's a map which shows what would need to be demolished and where this line would go, I might be less unhopeful.
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.....you spelt unhelpful rong !!
 
If the Freightliner land is that valuable for regeneration, it should fund moving the terminal to Parkside and any remediation of the land.

The "New Trafford" images seem remarkably devoid of stadium car parking - and the new location would be further from all the Metrolink stations they currently use!
 
Oldtraffordblue1 said:
PB not on SM so can you please ask him how many fright trains a day go through the city centre
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Up to 10 each way, usually fewer, and only 3 or 4 when passenger trains are running. Inconvenient but really only a problem when the passenger services are already disrupted. Moving them would not "fix" the Castlefield Corridor problem but it would alleviate it - not a big enough advantage to justify paying for a new stadium.
 
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flb said:
This will be an old trafford upgrade-its got it written all over it, it's always been that trainline running adjacent that's stopped them in the past. Rat boy has said he has no preference whether its a new stadium or a re-developed one. It will be the cheaper option, Burnham has said no public money will go to a new stadium.
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Your last sentence. I don't believe a single word of that statement from the weasly scouse mayor.
 
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The new interchange in StHelens is under construction but to be fair I like what we already had.
An enormous amount of new housing for rental/private on brownfield land has been well underway, when the conservatives were in power.
 
Jimmieblue said:
North/south divide again, south get new runway (maybe or maybe not if Khan has his convenient say) new road infrastructure etc, we get an effing stadium. Talk about buying votes, that’s all they are doing, it is a disgrace.
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And nothing about Burnham's other vital project - the new line from the proper HS2 line to Crewe rather than putting even more trains on the existing at-capacity West Coast Main Line.
 
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flb said:
This will be an old trafford upgrade-its got it written all over it, it's always been that trainline running adjacent that's stopped them in the past. Rat boy has said he has no preference whether its a new stadium or a re-developed one. It will be the cheaper option, Burnham has said no public money will go to a new stadium.
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Railway fucked off & paid for by the government, rags upgrade south stand with land sales to the gov, who then plough further money into regeneration of the area, not a penny spent by scruffy Jim
 
Vic said:
If the Freightliner land is that valuable for regeneration, it should fund moving the terminal to Parkside and any remediation of the land.

The "New Trafford" images seem remarkably devoid of stadium car parking - and the new location would be further from all the Metrolink stations they currently use!
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Half of the stadium seems to be in the car park where the ticket office currently is, the other half in the freight terminal.

There will be a new train station where the freight terminal currently is, the imperial war museum tram stop is 500 meters away. Wharfside 600 meters away. If they re-open the foot bridge over the railway to Stretford, you could get to Old Trafford cricket Tram stop in 15 mins. Or you could cross the lowry bridge to Salford and get a Tram from media city which would be a 10 min walk.

Pretty well served in all directions already.
 
Vic said:
Up to 10 each way, usually fewer, and only 3 or 4 when passenger trains are running. Inconvenient but really only a problem when the passenger services are already disrupted. Moving them would not "fix" the Castlefield Corridor problem but it would alleviate it - not a big enough advantage to justify paying for a new stadium.
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I count 17 currently scheduled to run through Oxford Road tomorrow (total for both directions) but there are paths for “runs as required” too which may occur. These have to be accounted for in scheduling passenger services even if they don’t run and you don’t know if they’re not running until last minute. There are 16 in the timetable for tomorrow between 8 and 5:30.

Ended up as total 28 yesterday, seven between those hours.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Half of the stadium seems to be in the car park where the ticket office currently is, the other half in the freight terminal.

There will be a new train station where the freight terminal currently is, the imperial war museum tram stop is 500 meters away. Wharfside 600 meters away. If they re-open the foot bridge over the railway to Stretford, you could get to Old Trafford cricket Tram stop in 15 mins. Or you could cross the lowry bridge to Salford and get a Tram from media city which would be a 10 min walk.

Pretty well served in all directions already.
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I think they want more as it may be the only stick they can beat us with by then (no charges or emptyhad) "we've got more options to get home and get home quicker than you" - except for the southerners obviously!
 
There's a huge difference between the government funding a huge international event and then looking for long-term residents for the venues afterwards, and the government funding the facilities of a private company when there is no public benefit. It's also particularly ridiculous for the UK government to be funding a private company that chose to base itself in the Cayman Islands to avoid UK tax. Especially at the request of their new tax-dodging shareholder.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Nonsense, my Tram goes through there and it is busy 7 days a week. Not just for tourists visiting their museum, non football fans go to the imperial war museum and media city. Then you have Granada studios, the Lowry venue and art gallery, and the cinema, shopping mall, restaurants and bars.

Loads of people live in Salford Quays now. It is bustling all year round, and it's getting bigger and sprawling out towards Weaste.
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Not nonsense as you have taken the time to read the thread just to save you the trouble I was referring to the football stadium not the rest of the Quays
I clarified that it could be defined as an attraction on non match days but on match days it’s a venue
 
Citi-leaks said:
Half of the stadium seems to be in the car park where the ticket office currently is, the other half in the freight terminal.

There will be a new train station where the freight terminal currently is, the imperial war museum tram stop is 500 meters away. Wharfside 600 meters away. If they re-open the foot bridge over the railway to Stretford, you could get to Old Trafford cricket Tram stop in 15 mins. Or you could cross the lowry bridge to Salford and get a Tram from media city which would be a 10 min walk.

Pretty well served in all directions already.
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That would be clever. A new station and a new stadium both on the freight terminal site.

What I said though - IWM tram stop would be nearly twice as far from the new stadium as Wharfside is from the ground now (Wharfside is only 300m from the ground. Can no-one read a map?)
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
I count 17 currently scheduled to run through Oxford Road tomorrow (total for both directions) but there are paths for “runs as required” too which may occur. These have to be accounted for in scheduling passenger services even if they don’t run and you don’t know if they’re not running until last minute. There are 16 in the timetable for tomorrow between 8 and 5:30.

Ended up as total 28 yesterday, seven between those hours.
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But they aren't all required to run... The terminal couldn't cope with that many trains. (Parkside could which is part of the argument for moving it.)
 
Prestwich_Blue said:


I know that all we talk about at work, plus the main subject of discussion in any pub you go into around Manchester, is the number of freight trains in the city centre,
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:) 70 years ago ? after Beeching closed all our mainline stations Central, Exchange,in favour of the car, I’ve never seen a freight train around Manchester they went with our north-west heavy industries and closure of Bradford colliery and Town Gas. :)
If part of this regeneration of Manchester was to bring back the passenger trains we’ve lost I’d be in favour of:)
 
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