Lucy Letby infant murders trial

HelloCity said:
One of the things since brought up since the trial is that the data from the ‘time table’ only related to children while she was on shift. There were other children who became sick in the same way when she wasn’t on shift and these were left off the table which was produced by the prosecution.
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Did the ones affected when she wasn't on shift die? And was it proven or did they not investigate whether they were killed or it was natural causes.

The ones that Lucy was alleged to have killed we know they were murdered. Letby even admitted they had, but that it wasn't her.

I'm all for making sure we get the correct people for crimes. I'd have loved to have seen all the evidence. For both sides.

EDIT- it seems there isn't enough edvidence to suggest the babies were killed. I misread at some point.
 
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A few journalists and politicians throwing their cards on the table now and declaring they believe there’s been a miscarriage of judgment.

It doesn’t look like this story is going to slowly drift away anytime soon.
 
Being investigated over deaths at another hospital. I'm sorry but I don't get much of a whiff at all that she's been the victim of a miscarriage of justice:

www.theguardian.com

Lucy Letby questioned in jail over more baby deaths at two hospitals

Police confirm serial killer nurse is being interviewed about cases at a second centre, Liverpool Women’s hospital
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
yeseye said:
What is the new challenge to the evidence used to convict Lucy Letby?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ction-challenge-to-evidence?CMP=share_btn_url
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Just watched the press conference and the thrust of the application is based on one of the doctors (he is Canadian) whose medical findings in a paper were used by the prosecution in the trial, who has said that he has looked at every death individually and they are either down the natural causes or bad medical practice, and not a single one was down to unlawful killing.

He’s basically said every single conviction is unsafe.

David Davis and her KC were both pretty bullish tbh. Davis said the CCRC had no choice but to approve the application. Cannot comment on the veracity of that statement, but he seemed like he was sure of the ground he was standing on.

They seemed convinced (at least to me) this proves her innocence, rather than merely casting doubt on her guilt.

You’ve got to feel for those poor parents in all this.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Yes, and the family whose house the shotgun was ‘found’ in had motive as they (iirc) inherited the farm.

As I said (and you alluded to) that shotgun had so many evidential holes in it, not least because of where and when it was found.

It’s a toughie, because I think he did it, but if he hadn’t been such a **** in the witness box there’s a good chance he might be walking free today.
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Thought it was a rifle, not a shotgun?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Just watched the press conference and the thrust of the application is based on one of the doctors (he is Canadian) whose medical findings in a paper were used by the prosecution in the trial, who has said that he has looked at every death individually and they are either down the natural causes or bad medical practice, and not a single one was down to unlawful killing.

He’s basically said every single conviction is unsafe.

David Davis and her KC were both pretty bullish tbh. Davis said the CCRC had no choice but to approve the application. Cannot comment on the veracity of that statement, but he seemed like he was sure of the ground he was standing on.

They seemed convinced (at least to me) this proves her innocence, rather than merely casting doubt on her guilt.

You’ve got to feel for those poor parents in all this.
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It's horrific for the parents, I really cannot comprehend what they are going through. They've sat through a trial that convicted someone of killing their baby. The evidence is clearly incredibly complicated and I've read a few things that sound like they were misleading. When presented with such a volume of complex medical evidence a jury is very likely to trust what they're being told as fact, when it's the opinion of experts who have been asked to investigate particular evidence. Combine that with shift patterns and it's easy to arrive at a guilty verdict. Particularly when you throw in the odd personal life and behaviour of the defendant.

Now the parents are hearing that there's doubt and could be an alternative answer. And at this stage the doubt is holistic so they don't know what that means for their baby on an individual basis. Not knowing whether your baby was murdered or died from natural causes...well I just can't begin to know what that must be like.

Based on the article, there's been quite a fundamental misinterpretation and misapplication of the evidence. But again, it's one expert reviewing one element of the evidence and how critical that is to the case is to be determined. I've always believed she was guilty personally, but that's based on very little evidence of course. Sometimes there are coincidences, even incredibly strange ones.
 
I thought they found diaries at her home where she'd written she'd killed the babies ?
Nice of Dr Shoo Lee to refer to her as 'Lucy' - clearly meant to engender sympathy and compassion.
 
Wow. This could be taking a huge turn.

If the recent findings turn out to be true, the ‘evidence’ against her needs to be seriously questioned.

A big if, mind. Not sure on the processes and a retrial?
 
skillman said:
Wow. This could be taking a huge turn.

If the recent findings turn out to be true, the ‘evidence’ against her needs to be seriously questioned.

A big if, mind. Not sure on the processes and a retrial?
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That’s up to the Court of Appeal (assuming it gets there).

If it allows the appeals they can order a retrial if it’s in the interests of justice to do so, or simply let the acquittal stand. Depends how overwhelming the new evidence is and what the poor families of the babies have to say, I guess. Letting the acquittal stand would be an admission that they totally fucked up previously so I’d say they are likely to remit it to a jury.

Long, long way to go before it gets to that stage, though.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Don’t think that’s going to tip the balance at the Court of Appeal.
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Maybe not, but all of a sudden it's Nurse Lucy. Nurse Lucy failed and let down by British justice and her employer. The young Nurse who has suffered a gross miscarriage of justice and wrongly blamed for the deaths of multiple babies.

The families having to relive it all over again have my deepest sympathy.
 
She's guilty as fuck.

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I feel for the parents. Fucking horrendous this whilst her sham of a defence team funded by fuck knows who stage what is basically a mock trial and inquiry.

They'll flood the narrative with enough bollocks so we have the Nicola Bulley sleuths picking out new theories. Throw enough shit and something will stick, quickish retrial (because she should be waiting years not months) then try and find an unprejudiced jury that don't live their lives on Tiktok.
 
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stan bowles said:
I thought they found diaries at her home where she'd written she'd killed the babies ?
Nice of Dr Shoo Lee to refer to her as 'Lucy' - clearly meant to engender sympathy and compassion.
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just a coincidence that she perhaps suffers from mental health issues and her behaviour is classed as strange/guilty by people who don't give any credit to MH?
 
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