President Trump

He's responded to other posts I've made - so no... it's not about the possibility of being a feckless coward - easily countered by a response (none forthcoming).
Seriously, not all posts are worth replying to when all they do is personalise the argument, So go ahead carry on with personal insults. One day you will learn how to have a discussion, you might even have counter arguments...? But then again if all your going to is launch insults don't expect too much because you're not worth the effort.
 
Seriously, not all posts are worth replying to when all they do is personalise the argument, So go ahead carry on with personal insults. One day you will learn how to have a discussion, you might even have counter arguments...? But then again if all your going to is launch insults don't expect too much because you're not worth the effort.
Exhibit #3 - still unwilling to state where you stand on important issues. What are you afraid of?

Let's put it this way - I've given you the perfect opportunity to put forth a cogent argument about why your opinion on these vital issues is correct. If I'm simply engaging in ad hominem, your reply would counter my belief that you are unwilling/unable to do so.
 
Which part of a 1.1 degree increase on average global temperature since around 1880 do you find confusing?

Which part of warmer temperatures usually equate to better food production and fewer deaths don't you understand?

Do you actually research anything you post or are you just some two bit googler with an axe to grind because someone you fancy told you the world was going to fry if we don't stop burning the very thing that made it possible for you first post on this forum back in 2019.
Which part of "you-have-no-idea-whatsoever about climate change" do you not understand?

Let's just for a wild second admit that you nor I are expert in this field - I think we can both agree on this fact.

Then what should we do?

Why - we should consult experts on the matter, of course. Scientists. And we should be careful to apply critical thinking to what we read. What are the motivations of those experts who publish? In what journals do they publish? Were their results peer reviewed? And so on and so forth.

I have a brother who is much like you. Always in doubt of climate change and skeptical of vaccines. He's done extensive "research" into both fields and so he knows what he's talking about. But you know what? He's not a scientist. Not an expert. He's some dude that spends about half his life plugged into Twitter, lapping up story after story by supposed experts that back up his opinion.

And yet, asked to provide a single scientific paper in support of his opinions, he's unable to do so.

Worse yet, my brother is all too ready to spread irresponsible rumor. He sent me some bullshit paper of seemingly scientific credibility about why polar bears are actually expanding in number and that David Attenborough had better brush up on reality - FFS! I was able to quickly google the origin of the paper, and found that it was backed by some right-wing think tank. And I quickly countered with numerous actual science-based articles disproving the paper's assertion. It was all water over a duck's back to my brother.

Hell, he even posted a video on his Twitter account supposedly showing how Georgia election officials were rigging the 2020 election in favor of Trump by tampering with votes. Jesus.
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Look - I'm up for a healthy debate on policy. But I have zero tolerance for denial of fact. And, that's one of my major issues with MAGA - facts do not matter. Science does not matter. Expert opinion does not matter. Make up your own mind, folks on these issues - after all you're just as qualified as scientists/doctors who have spent their entire life studying their field to gain expertise, who are unbiased and who will to change their opinions based on proven data. They're not political, and have no dog in the hunt, except for fact-based truth, wherever that may lead.

And you, mancity111, somehow, magically know better than the experts. In fact, climate change is good. Bring it on. Burn more coal. Only good will come of this - expert opinion be damned!

Laws requiring vaccination are unfair/unnecessary/harmful/whatever. You mancity111 are the one to turn to for truth in this regard as you are much more expert than doctors and health officials.
 
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You're not BigJoe#1 but thanks for posting.

You're all over place in your excuses for Trump.

Good luck with your, "warmer weather is good for crops"... meanwhile climate is changing faster than it ever has in the history of earth; numerous species will die as a consequence as they cannot adapt to changing climate fast enough.

On top of this, weather patterns are changing with somewhat unpredictable consequences - what once was prime agricultural land might well be desert or swamp land.

And as the temperature rises and water expands, shoreline-adjacent land will sink under water. A large percent of major cities are all along ocean shorelines and will sink under water within the next 50 or so years absent major action to combat climate change.

And the worst thing is that all of the rapid climate change and its impact is rather uncertain. It could easily be much, much, much worse for numerous reasons - ocean currents warming/cooling/aerating parts of the globe could stop - warming weather might release huge amounts of frozen/captured greenhouse gases some of which are far worse that CO2, etc.

As for forcing vaccination - there's a very good reason why vaccination should be mandatory - it's to stop the spread of disease.

Do you have children? Want to send your unvaccinated kids to a school full of other unvaccinated children? Polio could well break out again due to international travel and lessening vaccination against the disease. Bird flu? That might well leap into a readily transmissible human-infecting pathogen. Measles - it's very, very bad for children to contract measles. But yeah - no need for any law forcing vaccinations. Let those diseases rip through society because it's not right to force individuals to vaccinate!

I you're A-OK with Trump on tape, irrefutable evidence, advocating pussy grabbing and it's OK is because of whataboutism - even if the whataboutism were true (entirely unproven) - it's no excuse. Abuse of women from any person regardless of political affiliation is unacceptable - except to you MAGA folk who excuse it as "locker room talk" and whataboutism.

And you're deluded if a Trump-led USA will come to the aid of foreign nations. It's American first after all - why feed poor starving Africans (or whatever continent/nation), when we could instead enact a tax cut?
I dislike Trump more than you do based on the drivel you have dished out that I bothered to read in the past.

You would never make a decent reader of the room based on what you have dished out to date.

What a doomsayer you are but I guess you do little to reduce your own carbon footprint otherwise why would you even bother to come on bluemoon and chew up lots of CO2 for no good reason.

Yes I have kids and they are fine with the world and don't have such a pessimistic , unsubstantiated view of things as you do.

With comments like the climate is changing faster than it ever has whatever that means in the history of the planet all for bad and the end of the planet as we know it according to your cult and mantra excuse me if I cannot take you seriously mate , you need to spend some time with Astro Physicists and Geologists instead of burying you head on the internet.

I hope your not near Yellow Stone which is overdue to erupt once again because its a very hot place in the mantle and above and below but if you are of course you will blame it on CLIMATE CHANGE.

Tell your story of woe to the likes of Obama and all the other rich and famous who continue to chew up CO2 like its going out of fashion and buy their property nest eggs on shorelines with wonderful views of that ever increasing sea levels nearby they will say to you good on you son , now go a buy yourself a bicycle to get around in or an EV that needs more CO2 to be expunged into the air than a car with a combustion engine does to make and much more electricity to keep on the road that can save you when your house and the surrounds drop into the ocean.

Struth mate I was talking about Covid vaccinations and that is all , why do you bring up all the other stuff for no good reason.

Polio FFS mate give me a break.

What does Trump on tape mean , I assume you mean rape , well why don't you go on his social media and tell him you have irrefutable evidence that he taped someone (LOL)

I don't condone pussy grapping as you term it and would clout someone who tried it on anyone of my partners throughout my time on this planet.

you haven't seen Joe on tape stroke and sniff a child's hair who he has never met before , next you will be saying you haven't seen him fall off a bike or fall time and again when climbing the steps of Air Force One.

You probably think Joe was a hero for pardoning a twice convicted murderer as a parting gesture to the office along with his son something he said while in office he would never do.

Do you think Clinton never got head from Lewinski while president?

Didn't the Abraham Accords take place under Trump 1.0?

What wars broke out while Trump 1.0 was in office?

What wars broke out while Sleepy , Dementia ridden Sleepy Joe soon to have his own talk show ( LOL) was being hidden by the Democrat Machine , the same Machine that paid slush money to the NYT and Politico to name just two to keep them afloat and the narrative rich and planty.

You get all your news from CNBC?

Get real mate . tax cuts for the wealthy mean that the likes of Musk and Bates and Co have more to their kipper to continue to help the starving in the world.

The UN and all their ideologs have failed time and again to meaningfully address the situation to the point where they have become entrenched in politics and irrelevant to what really matters.

How have they helped Israel for example when other nations and cohorts like Hamas want Israel exterminated.

The US always have to be on the speed dial buddy when other nations sit back and do nothing but condemn their behavior.

Two state solution my ass.

How much of your wealth do you give to the homeless , the animals that need human help , the meek , the poor , the hungry , how often do you work in a soup kitchen or volunteer to do meaningful trapping and feeding to help with endangered species of birds for example.

Call me a MAGA again and I won't bother to give your drivel the time it doesn't deserve.
 
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Per Capita my good man

You actually can't do arithmetic, can you.

You've quoted no source, and the source I gave you is % of gdp, which shows Oz way off the largest in the oecd.

Now, unless oz has a much larger gdp per capita than anywhere in the oecd ( Spoiler: out doesn't) you're obviously utterly wrong.

Not just a bit wrong, miles out.

You need to quote sources for your "facts" 'cos what's in your head is 100% wrong
 
Which part of a 1.1 degree increase on average global temperature since around 1880 do you find confusing?

Global average temperature anomalies from NASA.

1880: minus 0.18
2024: plus 1.28

Difference: plus 1.46

Source:

1.46 is, I believe, larger than 1.1.

I can't be arsed showing you why everything else you quoted on climate is also wrong, falsehood taking 10x the effort to refute than writing it does.

You can't do arithmetic and you're too lazy to check your own bullshit.
 
You,Bluemoonacrossthepond and Mr Kyboshi (or whatever his name is) should keep your ad hominem arguments coming, you really are making my point for me, that being you are not totally convinced by your own positions - that I can accept in comfort.
He is not the brightest tool in the shed Big Joe is our BMATP , I have a greater disdain for Donald J on many fronts than the good man has himself and yet he calls me a MAGA and Trump lover of sorts.

I think he just swims with the tide and looks out for the likes and kudos for his commentary poorly attempting to lambast those nasty MAGA people all 83 odd million of them that voted for the property developer.

You can tell deep down he is both jealous and envious of the orange sociopath.
 
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You actually can't do arithmetic, can you.

You've quoted no source, and the source I gave you is % of gdp, which shows Oz way off the largest in the oecd.

Now, unless oz has a much larger gdp per capita than anywhere in the oecd ( Spoiler: out doesn't) you're obviously utterly wrong.

Not just a bit wrong, miles out.

You need to quote sources for your "facts" 'cos what's in your head is 100% wrong
Tax take in all it forms per capita my good man I am not referring to GDP at all so get on the right tram before you spout wrong 100 per cent wrong etc your bar chart has nothing to do with what I was referring to.

Speaking of maths to some degree you cannot be 100 per cent wrong my friend , you are either wrong or not wrong.

You probably think you can be 50 per cent pregnant.

Lets start with the company tax rates in the USA v OZ that is a good place to start , I think even you can look them up assuming google is up to date.
 
You actually can't do arithmetic, can you.

You've quoted no source, and the source I gave you is % of gdp, which shows Oz way off the largest in the oecd.

Now, unless oz has a much larger gdp per capita than anywhere in the oecd ( Spoiler: out doesn't) you're obviously utterly wrong.

Not just a bit wrong, miles out.

You need to quote sources for your "facts" 'cos what's in your head is 100% wrong
How about this equation.

Total Tax Take by all forms of government / Total number of individuals that contribute to the numerator =.
 
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Tax take in all it forms per capita my good man I am not referring to GDP at all so get on the right tram before you spout wrong 100 per cent wrong etc your bar chart has nothing to do with what I was referring to.

Speaking of maths to some degree you cannot be 100 per cent wrong my friend , you are either wrong or not wrong.

You probably think you can be 50 per cent pregnant.

Lets start with the company tax rates in the USA v OZ that is a good place to start , I think even you can look them up assuming google is up to date.

You claimed "we are the highest taxed per capita country in the world"

You're wrong, I have you a source which clearly proves you wrong.

Now you claim you're right, without providing a source.

Instead you start blathering.

Provide a source for your claim.
 
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Global average temperature anomalies from NASA.

1880: minus 0.18
2024: plus 1.28

Difference: plus 1.46

Source:

1.46 is, I believe, larger than 1.1.

I can't be arsed showing you why everything else you quoted on climate is also wrong, falsehood taking 10x the effort to refute than writing it does.

You can't do arithmetic and you're too lazy to check your own bullshit.
Struth mate there are so many sources of data and modelling into the future none of which eventuate accurately that sampling error , I got mine from the Wisconsin Department of Human Resources , the jury is out on all of them in terms of measurement , even todays devices measure temperature differently to how it was measured back in 1880.

OK lets agree on 1.46 , so bloody what my only point was that their has been much more CO2 in the atmosphere over the journey in parts per million as best can be measured and the temperature has been a lot cooler on earth over many decades and centuries to even label a trend or label it climate warming and cooling.

Climate is much more than temperature movement over decades and centuries and is effected by many things most importantly the Sun and the Moon believe it or not .

The Sun drives our climate system and if you refuse to believe that which you are entitled to then we cannot go much further in this discussion.

the biggest greenhouse gas known to man in the atmosphere is good old Water Vapour , it dwarfs CO2 and is a big driver of the climate on the earth just how it interacts with all the other knowns and many unknowns for example the impact of the changing orbit of the Earth around the Sun and its impact on climate and temperature is still as unknown as a cure for dementia or most cancers or how our brain actually works and yours aint working at its best right now.

CO2 is plant food without it we couldn't survive for one jot , I love CO2 without it I wouldn't have my kids to annoy from time to time.

You cannot be arsed because you don't even know what point I was making and why , you lot quickly retreat down a rabbit hole when I the likes of me hasn't even started yet.
 
its not one that involves GDP good man do you actually know what GDP is without having to google it.
You claimed "we are the highest taxed per capita country in the world"

You're wrong, I have you a source which clearly proves you wrong.

Now you claim you're right, without providing a source.

Instead you start blathering.

Provide a source for your claim
 
Struth mate there are so many sources of data and modelling into the future none of which eventuate accurately that sampling error , I got mine from the Wisconsin Department of Human Resources , the jury is out on all of them in terms of measurement , even todays devices measure temperature differently to how it was measured back in 1880

Bullshit.

Get your facts right.

The rest of that post is so pathetic it doesn't deserve a response
 
its not one that involves GDP good man do you actually know what GDP is without having to google it.

how about stop repeatedly showing your ignorance and either admit you were wrong or provide an actual source for your completely false claim that Australia is

" the highest taxed per capita country in the world"
 
its not one that involves GDP good man do you actually know what GDP is without having to google it.
You claimed "we are the highest taxed per capita country in the world"

You're wrong, I have you a source which clearly proves you wrong.

Now you claim you're right, without providing a source.

Instead you start blathering.

Provide a source for your claim

Seriously, not all posts are worth replying to when all they do is personalise the argument, So go ahead carry on with personal insults. One day you will learn how to have a discussion, you might even have counter arguments...? But then again if all your going to is launch insults don't expect too much because you're not worth the effort.
I don't know why some of the lefties get so personal so quickly and jump to the wrong just because someone either holds a different view or plays devils advocate. Perhaps its because they think that anyone who gives a different view is of a different political persuasion or in this case a Trump devotee and that makes them much holier and morally superior than those they chastise personally when in truth they are neither.

Most of my better discussions and debates come from those that share a similar view to me about politics which I have to admit changes over time no much with policy but how the party changes its base appeal over time.

We agree on some issues but are polar opposites on other political issues which is a good thing IMO and we don't get personal.

For example I used to vote Labour in Australia because I felt they better represented the working class and gave more people a better opportunity for both aspiration and a better life for their families in the main no matter their calling.

Now I don't vote Labour because they have sold out to the corporates as important a role they play in our nation nevertheless and left behind the base they used to represent and give better opportunity to when in government.
 
International Criminal Courts yesterday , today him and his dickhead pal Musk have shut down the worlds biggest aid programme US Aid.
 

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