President Trump

Blue Maverick said:
And why should they have that much power? Why would they need it, if 95% of Musks money was taken he could still live a life billions could only dream of, that money could then be used by an elected body, let’s say a government, those individuals could then use the money fir the better of everyone not just somr project a billionaire decides is good for him. Tell me what Musk does that benefits anyone but himself or Bezos or Zuckerberg , where are the hundreds of hospitals or medical aid they could help people in USA who have non?
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Often the more money you give to governments the more they waste in the name of greed , corruption and staying in power for as long as possible to the detriment of those they are elected or not elected by as it may be from the people they are supposed to serve or represent.

Its much better to let business do what it does best and let the rich spend it as they choose to as in the main it will be spent far more productively and to the betterment of more than any government could or will.

Governments should only be responsible for and provide the services that business cannot muster and should not muster.

In Australia we have three levels of government for 26 million people and almost 16 per cent of the work force are in the public sector which is absurd at best.

No wonder we are the highest taxed per capita country in the world and our education, health and public infra structure outcomes to name just three key areas that government involves themselves to a significant degree have fallen off a cliff in the past three decades as we continue to employ more and throw more government money into them.
 
Dax777 said:
I could turn around and ask the same question, why should the elected body have that much money?

Bexos created ( or help create) the easing of shopping for humanity. Bullions of people shop easier because vof hik and people like him.

Zuckerberg nade it easier for human from different parts of the world vto connect. Ric to a smaller extent is kur Zuckerberg here. He is the reason you and i can share ideas. Thats worth something. If Ric because a billionaire for making Cityzens all over the world connect, os be nothing but chuffed for him coz he gave me this valuable gift.

Same for Musk, Starlink to connect via satellite, Tesla to drive cares that dont use gas, Space X to try explore the possibilities bof MARs or space exploration...

For the record, i wont even begrudge a billionaire who didn't do anything special. There are lots of billionaires who just mastered retail. Nothing special, they just figured out how to count and expand their market on the basics.

I may not like the ideas of a particular billionaire and like those of others, but i think they earned the right to try their ideas or not. Funnily most billionaires are actually altruistic. It kinda feels like you cant become that rich without having sime of that quality.

But that said, I trust less with exorbitant amounts of money, people who have shown little or no capacity to cultivate, store or grow wealth.

Which unfortunately, is what a significant number of politicians have become. Incompetent people who found a back end route to powe and influence.

I teust them far less with large sums of money than i do those who have shoen a history of cultivating it.

Granted, i'm slightly on your side on the issue of transferred wealth. Even though I think my position on that is still convoluted.
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And again how much is enough, a lot could be done with around $600 billion that’s about half of what the top 3 have. In fact the top 3 have as much money as the bottom 200 million in the USA! It’s obscene and no amount of electric cars (tell me again how those electric chargers are powered in the main?) no amount of rockets taking rich people up will convince me they couldn’t build medical centres, care homes etc and benefit society much better.
 
mancity111 said:
Climate change is real because the climate changes all the time just as the weather does at least as far as empirical observation goes.

It wasn't that long ago we had an ice age in terms of the history of the planet we inhabit when C02 was much more prevalent in the atmosphere than it is now.

The issue is how do we respond to climate change as the planet has warmed around 1.1 C in the past 150 years at least according to some institutions that are paid big money to as best measure these things ( often disputed by other institutions mind you ) which is nothing compared to variations in temperature over shorter periods of time even in both human and pre human history.

Warmer weather is beneficial to better food production and less deaths on average than colder weather.

if Australia ceased burning fossil fuels tomorrow it wouldn't mean jot to the average temperature on the planet in centuries to come but we would become a third world country quicker than Errol Flynn could obtain his next conquest.

If we are to be serious about cleaner energy production at least cost and most reliable we have to have mix mainly of nuclear , gas and some renewable energy preferable hydro as we wean off what is cheapest and most reliable namely coal.

Solar and wind alone won't cut it for a modern economy and its no surprise that those stupid enough to try have the most expensive and unreliable form of electricity generation where small and local business and n ow big business that is part of the global chain of supply and demand leave the country in droves to set up shop in countries that take energy generation seriously and give them the best chance to thrive.

Imagine trying to power a relatively small data centre using wind turbines and solar panels and battery storage (LOL).

Big pharma made lots on money during Covid but again Covid showed us how poorly we were prepared for a pandemic and how poorly we responded.

We should have protected the elderly and the vulnerable much better than we did as a whole and let the rest get on with their lives , like they did in Sweden for example in the main.

No government should force someone to vaccinate if they do not wish to or sack them if they do not wish to be vaccinated , leave it to the individual to decide but no doubt vaccines despite not nearly enough vigorous testing to determine their efficacy were a major factor in reducing poorer outcomes for many humans once contracting Covid particularly the elderly and vulnerable despite not being able to have much impact on transmission if at all.

Anti virals that were available and common place now for the elderly and vulnerable were snubbed at and this was the fault of Big Pharma and the half witted bureaucrats and politicians of the time.

How ironic that Trump is one of the few of the big plyers that was in power at the time is now back in the hot seat.

Pussy grabbing , christ on a stick name me one red blooded politician that hasn't strayed in the name of temptation.

Is Joe if is still around still sniffing the hair of 6 year olds?

NATO countries have to start pulling their weight and ensure their budgets match the risks posed by Russia , North Korea, Iran and China to name the main players that will ensure World War three becomes a reality in our lifetimes if left unchecked.

here in OZ we always think the US will come to our rescue if invaded by the likes of China so we have let our defensive capabilities go to pot eve though China is our largest trading nation by far.

America will continue to come to the aid of countries even those torn apart by mans inhumanity towards man but as the Nigerian President recently said , their comes a time when as a nation we have to stand on our own two feet just like the young swan must do in order to fly and survive.
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You're not BigJoe#1 but thanks for posting.

You're all over place in your excuses for Trump.

Good luck with your, "warmer weather is good for crops"... meanwhile climate is changing faster than it ever has in the history of earth; numerous species will die as a consequence as they cannot adapt to changing climate fast enough.

On top of this, weather patterns are changing with somewhat unpredictable consequences - what once was prime agricultural land might well be desert or swamp land.

And as the temperature rises and water expands, shoreline-adjacent land will sink under water. A large percent of major cities are all along ocean shorelines and will sink under water within the next 50 or so years absent major action to combat climate change.

And the worst thing is that all of the rapid climate change and its impact is rather uncertain. It could easily be much, much, much worse for numerous reasons - ocean currents warming/cooling/aerating parts of the globe could stop - warming weather might release huge amounts of frozen/captured greenhouse gases some of which are far worse that CO2, etc.

As for forcing vaccination - there's a very good reason why vaccination should be mandatory - it's to stop the spread of disease.

Do you have children? Want to send your unvaccinated kids to a school full of other unvaccinated children? Polio could well break out again due to international travel and lessening vaccination against the disease. Bird flu? That might well leap into a readily transmissible human-infecting pathogen. Measles - it's very, very bad for children to contract measles. But yeah - no need for any law forcing vaccinations. Let those diseases rip through society because it's not right to force individuals to vaccinate!

I you're A-OK with Trump on tape, irrefutable evidence, advocating pussy grabbing and it's OK is because of whataboutism - even if the whataboutism were true (entirely unproven) - it's no excuse. Abuse of women from any person regardless of political affiliation is unacceptable - except to you MAGA folk who excuse it as "locker room talk" and whataboutism.

And you're deluded if a Trump-led USA will come to the aid of foreign nations. It's American first after all - why feed poor starving Africans (or whatever continent/nation), when we could instead enact a tax cut?
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
You've missed your true calling... stand up comedian, you'd have them rolling I tell yer.
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And you've failed to reply to my post asking you to state exactly where you stand on several political issues.

So it seems to me that I was right - you're a feckless coward, desperately trying to overcompensate.
 
Blue Maverick said:
And again how much is enough, a lot could be done with around $600 billion that’s about half of what the top 3 have. In fact the top 3 have as much money as the bottom 200 million in the USA! It’s obscene and no amount of electric cars (tell me again how those electric chargers are powered in the main?) no amount of rockets taking rich people up will convince me they couldn’t build medical centres, care homes etc and benefit society much better.
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Well this is easy, how much does the American government bring in yearly in taxes?

How are they doing with those dollars in helping benefit society much better?

That said, you mids the relevant point. Why should you be the judge of whsts good for them to have?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Australia??

WTF?


Where on earth do you get your obviously entirely wrong opinions from?
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Per Capita my good man , we have the largest tax take mainly because we have three levels of government for the smallest paying population of around 16 million and tax is not restricted to income tax alone . The figures you draw on to name just one example don't include Land Tax a State Government Charge that some countries don't have.

I suggest you spend a little time on what taxes are levied in OZ and by whom and for how much before you draw on a basically irrelevant chart when it comes to measuring tax take per individual across all taxes and charges ( tax in guise ) not restricted to just GST for example to name one other tax all people not just income tax payers pay to Governments.

These figures don't even include levies on items like beer and fuel and cigarettes.

Did you know for example that almost 50 per cent of the price of a pack of cigarettes and 63 per cent of drinks like rum paid for by the citizens of this country I live in go straight into government coffers and don't start me royalties from coal , gas and company tax either.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The entirety, as per my original response.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

Global Warming - NASA Science

It is necessary to understand what global warming is, how scientists know it's happening, and how they predict future climate.
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Which part of a 1.1 degree increase on average global temperature since around 1880 do you find confusing?

Which part of warmer temperatures usually equate to better food production and fewer deaths don't you understand?

Do you actually research anything you post or are you just some two bit googler with an axe to grind because someone you fancy told you the world was going to fry if we don't stop burning the very thing that made it possible for you first post on this forum back in 2019.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
And you've failed to reply to my post asking you to state exactly where you stand on several political issues.

So it seems to me that I was right - you're a feckless coward, desperately trying to overcompensate.
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Don't worry BMATD I made an attempt on his behalf that you can have a crack at.

Maybe he doesn't respond to keyboard warriors that call people they have never met a feckless coward.

Be nice to him and he might give it a go otherwise you might find yourself responding to yourself and that's all she wrote.
 
mancity111 said:
Don't worry BMATD I made an attempt on his behalf that you can have a crack at.

Maybe he doesn't respond to keyboard warriors that call people they have never met a feckless coward.

Be nice to him and he might give it a go otherwise you might find yourself responding to yourself and that's all she wrote.
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He's responded to other posts I've made - so no... it's not about the possibility of being a feckless coward - easily countered by a response (none forthcoming).

It's that he's unable or unwilling to actually state his position on the issues I posited.

You've responded - and I find your reply entirely representative of the cult of MAGA: entirely without basis in scientific fact and expert opinion, excusing Trump's behavior because of "whataboutism" (his behavior is abhorrent in any person), and badly misjudging and or excusing Trump's empathy towards other nations (he has no empathy whatsoever).
 
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