President Trump

ChicagoBlue said:
Tripartite detente: USA, China, Russia, because Trump equates himself to those Dictators and want to be the Boss of the World…and thinks he would be in that equation.

He will cede the Far Pacific to China, as long as they don’t threaten American interests and they keep NK in check.

He will cede Eastern Europe to Putin, as long as he doesn’t land grab any further and just prints more billions for himself from the reflow of oil, gas and other trade.

With Europe, he will tell them they need to stand on their own two feet and, while NATO and Article 5 won’t be rescinded, it should never be needed now he’s brought Putin & Ci to heel.

He’s already signaled to both that he wants to STOP THE MADNESS OF MAD and reduce military budgets by 50%, so we can all focus on trade and making money. It’s the only language he knows. That’s be a $500Bn annual savings and would pay for his proposed tax cuts for the 10 yrs he wants to implement them!
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Where do all the people who don’t want to live under Putin go? To the countries that gave their land away?
 
Let's hope history repeats and this Orange lunatic is put out of his misery.

And I hope the UK it's politicians and Royalty show some loyalty to Canada and tell the Orange gimp to go forth and multiply.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Trump is clearly a bit nuts and his delivery lacks tact to say the least. It does seem though that a lot of folk are so triggered by his very existence that if him and Musk came up with a cure for cancer they'd want it banned.
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Trump and Musk aren’t going to come up with a cure for cancer or do anything good for humanity so your point is moot.

I don’t know anyone who is triggered by their existence but there’s plenty that rightly get thoroughly pissed off by their words and actions, because of the real and potential consequences. It would be nice if the whole world could ignore them but while he leads the world’s biggest economy and most powerful military that’s not going to happen.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can see NATO Article 5 being severely tested over the next 4 years, and it does not bear thinking about.
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The test would come if he invaded a small country say Macedonian but just a tiny part say a couple of miles, would we go full on just for a couple of miles or try to negotiate? Putin would just keep prodding, let’s face it if Russia does it now we would crush them but would that mean flying into Russia to hit targets or just cruise missiles, nato pilots been paraded on Russian state tv we might as well get the 3 million sunscreen out.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
About time. The role of nato and a coherent European defence policy should have been calmly addressed in the 90s when the cold War ended. With perhaps the strategic exception of nuclear detergent I don't expect the US to still be policing Europe.
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It’s because it suits them, when it doesn’t they fuck ours off, just look how they are reacting to the Chagos islands, it suits them because they use it for their submarines and fleets, seems to me we fuck America off now until they get an adult in charge but even then I’d never trust them again, they’ve become too powerful and are bullies now, special relationship my arse it’s like been someone’s bitch in a prison cell.
 
Blue Maverick said:
It’s because it suits them, when it doesn’t they fuck ours off, just look how they are reacting to the Chagos islands, it suits them because they use it for their submarines and fleets, seems to me we fuck America off now until they get an adult in charge but even then I’d never trust them again, they’ve become too powerful and are bullies now, special relationship my arse it’s like been someone’s bitch in a prison cell.
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Now you’re talking!
 
Blue Maverick said:
It’s because it suits them, when it doesn’t they fuck ours off, just look how they are reacting to the Chagos islands, it suits them because they use it for their submarines and fleets, seems to me we fuck America off now until they get an adult in charge but even then I’d never trust them again, they’ve become too powerful and are bullies now, special relationship my arse it’s like been someone’s bitch in a prison cell.
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No different to ourselves with our various military outposts really, albeit we are a century away from our empire and the US are probably just starting their journey in that direction. We worry a lot about article 5, but in his usual hamfisted way Trump is trying to draw the attention of Europe back to article 3 which is fair enough.
 
Blue Maverick said:
The test would come if he invaded a small country say Macedonian but just a tiny part say a couple of miles, would we go full on just for a couple of miles or try to negotiate? Putin would just keep prodding, let’s face it if Russia does it now we would crush them but would that mean flying into Russia to hit targets or just cruise missiles, nato pilots been paraded on Russian state tv we might as well get the 3 million sunscreen out.
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Are you sure we would crush them....? who is this we you speak of? I believe that NATO and the Donald Trump led US might well give them a bloody nose, NATO without the US possibly, but that would mean very very bloody noses on both sides.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I heard that, and I don't understand it.

Taiwan and South Korea dominate the market. There is no incentive for them to move manufacturing to the USA, as their chips will have to be bought.
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Hmmm, Trump angry at Taiwan and wants the business back, even though he knows that’s impossible.

Who does that give a green light to?

Hegseth tells the world American military might can’t stare down the Russian Navy as Ukraine is told it has to cede plans for peace, and Putin pays no price. Meanwhile, Trump gets pissy with Taiwan.

In the space of 3 weeks…

- Trump has told the Palestinians (and Arab neighbors) that he is going to OWN (his word) the Gaza Strip and turn it into a RIVIERA (his word, again),

- His new SecDef has told Ukraine that their history began post-2014, snd

- Trump has decided he’s now mad at Taiwan, a highly sensitive island nation off the coast of China, which One China says they own and will one day invade to ensure the world knows it.

Meanwhile, Trump says he wants to meet Putin and Xi in Saudi Arabia to talk about peace breaking out, everyone making trillions by ratcheting down military spending and mothballing nukes, and saying the U.S. wants to cut defence spending by 50% (or $500Bn per year, which just happens to be the size of his proposed millionaires & billionaires & Corporatist Tax Cuts!).

Coincidence?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Are you sure we would crush them....? who is this we you speak of? I believe that NATO and the Donald Trump led US might well give them a bloody nose, NATO without the US possibly, but that would mean very very bloody noses on both sides.
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War causes bloody noses, but ignoring the threat is worse.

If, in 2025, the NATO Alliance could not TROUNCE the Russian Army, Air Force and Navy, after a 3 year stalemate against a country that’s had to beg, borrow and steal to wage war against Putin, then they need an industrial sized pack of Fanny Wipes for the next meeting in Brussels!
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Hmmm, Trump angry at Taiwan and wants the business back, even though he knows that’s impossible.

Who does that give a green light to?

Hegseth tells the world American military might can’t stare down the Russian Navy as Ukraine is told it has to cede plans for peace, and Putin pays no price. Meanwhile, Trump gets pissy with Taiwan.

In the space of 3 weeks…

- Trump has told the Palestinians (and Arab neighbors) that he is going to OWN (his word) the Gaza Strip and turn it into a RIVIERA (his word, again),

- His new SecDef has told Ukraine that their history began post-2014, snd

- Trump has decided he’s now mad at Taiwan, a highly sensitive island nation off the coast of China, which One China says they own and will one day invade to ensure the world knows it.

Meanwhile, Trump says he wants to meet Putin and Xi in Saudi Arabia to talk about peace breaking out, everyone making trillions by ratcheting down military spending and mothballing nukes, and saying the U.S. wants to cut defence spending by 50% (or $500Bn per year, which just happens to be the size of his proposed millionaires & billionaires & Corporatist Tax Cuts!).

Coincidence?
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Same Saudis who want to spend 600bn in US. Who caused 9/11. Who Squeaky Jared has been dealing with. Whole thing fucking stinks. Don’t we (UK) sell arms to SA? Maybe they will get a new supplier.
 
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