City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

Dribble said:
Thanks again.

Would the above cover UEFA's accusations against City?

The first I heard of investigations into City was in 2013 by UEFA. Given the timescale, wouldn't an investigation by the authorities be completed by now?

Have the authorities ever been asked if they've investigated City, & if so would they answer that question in the public interest?
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Why don't you ask them?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Seems a little strange that there doesn’t seem to be a any written version of this statement.

One might start questioning the veracity of it.
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I'm looking at our most recent official pronouncement for similarities of wording
"Following today’s publication of the Rule X Arbitral Tribunal Award, Manchester City Football Club thanks the distinguished members of the Arbitral Tribunal for their work and considerations and welcomes their findings:
- The Club has succeeded with its claim: the Associated Party Transaction (APT) rules have been found to be unlawful and the Premier League’s decisions on two specific MCFC sponsorship transactions have been set aside
- The Tribunal found that both the original APT rules and the current, (amended) APT Rules violate UK competition law and violate the requirements of procedural fairness.
- The Premier League was found to have abused its dominant position.
- The Tribunal has determined both that the rules are structurally unfair and that the Premier League was specifically unfair in how it applied those rules to the Club in practice.
- The rules were found to be discriminatory in how they operate, because they deliberately excluded shareholder loans.
- As well as these general findings on legality, the Tribunal has set aside specific decisions of the Premier League to restate the fair market value of two transactions entered into by the Club.
- The tribunal held that the Premier League had reached the decisions in a procedurally unfair manner.
- The Tribunal also ruled that there was an unreasonable delay in the Premier League’s fair market value assessment of two of the Club’s sponsorship transactions, and so the Premier League breached its own rules."
 
Dribble said:
Thanks again.

Would the above cover UEFA's accusations against City?

The first I heard of investigations into City was in 2013 by UEFA. Given the timescale, wouldn't an investigation by the authorities be completed by now?

Have the authorities ever been asked if they've investigated City, & if so would they answer that question in the public interest?
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I don’t know.

Just so you know, I hold Stefan in very high regard, because it is abundantly clear to me that he knows what he is talking about. I know this because, with apologies if this sounds immodest, I do too. So I think some of your posts to/about him In the last 24 hours have been pretty shitty and my own view is that you should really be apologising for challenging his integrity.

Ive no wish to be rude to you because you haven’t been rude to me and if/when that apology is provided maybe we can look at this further, because that’s the whole point of this thread. I’ve answered the question that you asked and asked again and again because I was bored of reading it. But at present I’m not hugely interested in discussing it further.
 
arbabarshad said:
Given the amount of scrutiny city have had from the PL, I think PLs internal processes should be reviewed to see if all clubs receive the same amount of scrutiny or not? Theoretically the answer should be yes but it would be interesting to know.
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This 100% this

What about rags off-shore accounts ?

Rags 75million deal with the pl.
 
Dribble said:
I don't need a professional legal qualification to ask why the authorities aren't investigating City for these many serious accusations of industrial scale fraud, money laundering & tax evasion.

Commonsense is all you need, & I suspect the answer will get us to the very root of the witch hunt (that I can see) against City.

Perhaps you'd like a stab at answering the question on Stefan's behalf?
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You’re making a massive fool of yourself.
 
slbsn said:
Very hard to keep with so many "attacks" and the very many notifications I got this AM from Dribble (and others) who can continue to fuck off.

Let me summarise a small part of my (relevant) recent career experience to some of the points raised although I have not read them all.

I took over one of the most controversial public companies in the UK first as General Counsel then as CEO and in that time, amongst other matters, defended a very serious, high profile in its world, SFO investigation against former management for SEVEN years. I dealt with the SFO personally, face to face, in their office, in correspondence. And with very careful work, we succeeded in getting the investigation terminated without charge. Alongside that we defended multiple pieces of litigation including a class action led by City's own Philip Marshall KC. We published, perhaps, the most extensive restatement of an English company set of accounts in the last 20 years. There are many other aspects of my recent experience that is relevant to the City 115 case (not to APT which I explained many times is an esoteric Competition Law case) which I won't go into but you sending Googled articles are not that relevant to me.

I agree that anyone that wants debate me personally (ie my character, motivations, experience etc) here just either fucks off (I mean really who cares if you disagree with me - it is fine we do not need to agree) or DMs me and I will consider if I should reply.

Oh, and obviously, I am not making points in a vacuum. I speak to people and I triangulate conclusions before speaking. It doesn't mean it is always right obviously (I have lost lots of cases and regularly judge things wrongly because that is how life works) but I am confident I am rarely talking total complete nonsense.
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Stefan, for what it’s worth I’m impressed. You are a very valuable poster on here with a lot of knowledge. When the 115 case breaks most of us here will be looking to you and a few other learned members for clarity and understanding.
 
arbabarshad said:
Given the amount of scrutiny city have had from the PL, I think PLs internal processes should be reviewed to see if all clubs receive the same amount of scrutiny or not? Theoretically the answer should be yes but it would be interesting to know.
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Yep. I've been saying this all along, I'd love to see the evidence that all other PL Club's finances and dealings have been subject to the same level of scrutiny and investigation that City have been subject to.

Surely there's a potential lawsuit waiting there if (when) the PL can't demonstrate that they have scrutinised all other clubs to the same extent.
 
applecentral said:
Stefan, for what it’s worth I’m impressed. You are a very valuable poster on here with a lot of knowledge. When the 115 case breaks most of us here will be looking to you and a few other learned members for clarity and understanding.
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Stefan is like Var!

Blues will be celebrating wildly but the legal check will take 2 months before a narrow win is established and not because we have done nothing wrong but because the wrong paper was used in proceedings -:)
 
Dribble said:
I did & they weren't conclusive. If they were, many more people would be less terrified about our fate.

And there's also the public approach to these matters by some on this forum & in the media that doesn't sit right with me. EG, Why isn't the answer you say is in the FAQ's front & centre of our narrative so we can cut to the chase of what this is really about?
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Because, except in your mind, it's fucking irrelevant.
 
I really hope we hit a great run of form when the verdict drops (if we are innocent)

That’ll doubly piss them off
 
jacko74 said:
Yep. I've been saying this all along, I'd love to see the evidence that all other PL Club's finances and dealings have been subject to the same level of scrutiny and investigation that City have been subject to.

Surely there's a potential lawsuit waiting there if (when) the PL can't demonstrate that they have scrutinised all other clubs to the same extent.
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Not really, but it will count heavily against Masters when called upon to resign.
 
applecentral said:
Stefan, for what it’s worth I’m impressed. You are a very valuable poster on here with a lot of knowledge. When the 115 case breaks most of us here will be looking to you and a few other learned members for clarity and understanding.
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The hardest thing will be everyone asking Stefan’s opinion on a 500 page judgement without allowing him the time to digest it.

Meanwhile the great unwashed & us will be arguing based on sentences in a language & on a subject that we don’t understand…… can’t wait ;)
 
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