President Trump

Vic said:
"I'm not speaking up in service to my ambitions..." was a bit of a giveaway

AIPAC influence not withstanding, would America elect a Jewish president? (Though he's a billionaire...)

Still, it's up there with Bishop Budde's challenge to Trump hegemony.
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Ask the Democrats that. They are the ones with a problem with Jews
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
With each passing week, Russia is getting weaker. It's economy and military are struggling badly, it's not sustainable for them.

Ukraine wants to carry on fighting as any country would that's been invaded. It's either that or be turned into slaves permanently.

As for trump, he's folding a pair of aces pre flop against Putin's 2 , 7 off suit. It stinks, makes zero sense.
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Is this true? Or is this just what you want to believe?
 
Dax777 said:
At some level I agree with you. But the problem is neither America nor Europe seem to want to send their sons and daughters to die defending Ukraine's sovereignty.

We both seem to be more interested in sending money and ammunition. Which at best only allows Ukraine to hold a stalemate while citizens die... So far a Million have died?

Either we jump all in ( which neither America nor most of the other Western superpowers Germany, UK, France) seem to want to do. So negotiations seem to be the only option left, no? Or am I reading this wrong?
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This is not really true.

There were not only limits put on which weaponry they would send, but also where it could be used. It wasn’t until very recently…years after the war started…that Biden allowed US military equipment to be used against targets in Russia, as opposed to inside occupied areas of Eastern Ukraine.

And, lest we lose track of why we have wars, it is usually to stop aggressors from seizing control of someone else’s sovereign landmass.

If the response is, “Well, people will die if we fight, so can we talk?” then that is both weak and appeasement UNLESS THE AGGRESSOR RETREATS TO THE PRIOR BORDER!!!

Only Ukrainians can decide when they’ve sacrificed enough. In the meantime, their SUPPOSED ALLIES should be supporting them in every way possible.

Lastly, if every despot decided to time an invasion during a period of economic uncertainty, no-one will ever stop aggression, because “We have our own troubles” is the response of a weak coward, not a strategic geopolitical ally, but it is what is currently being fed to the masses.

The propaganda messages bring spewed by a few Americans are a disgrace and may be the high point of shame for a supposed ally.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
This is not really true.

There were not only limits put on which weaponry they would send, but also where it could be used. It wasn’t until very recently…years after the war started…that Biden allowed US military equipment to be used against targets on Russia, as opposed to inside occupied areas of Eastern Ukraine.

And, lest we lose track of why we have wars, it is usually to stop aggressors from seizing control of someone rises sovereign landmass.

If the response is, “Well, people will die if we fight, so can we talk?” then that is both weak and appeasement UNLESS THE AGGRESSOR RETREATS TO THE PRIOR BORDER!!!

Only Ukrainians can decide when they’ve sacrificed enough. In the meantime, their SUPPOSED ALLIES should be supporting them in every way possible.

Lastly, if every despot decided to time an invasion during a period of economic uncertainty, no-one will ever stop aggression, because “We have our own troubles” is the response of a weak coward, not a strategic geopolitical ally, but it is what is currently being fed to the masses.

The propaganda messages bring spewed by a few Americans are a disgrace and may be the high point of shame for a supposed ally.
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Fair point. So negotiations was a bad move. I suppose this is one of those promises he shouldn't have kept.
 
They think they won the world presidency ......... they cannot do this ....... they will just not export to the USA and look elsewhere in the world. Its the economics of the stupid.

 
Dax777 said:
Fair point. So negotiations was a bad move. I suppose this is one of those promises he shouldn't have kept.
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I am not against negotiations, but facilitation is a completely different thing than coming in and saying “I’m the referee. You fouled him, you get a yellow card and he gets a penalty!”…where the yellow card is no support and the penalty is giving up thousands of square miles of your sovereign territory.

I’m honest enough to say I’m not sure Ukraine was ever going to get much territory back in any REAL negotiation, BUT the whole “You’ll do what we tell you because we are on his side and you live off our nut!” method of mediation is obscene and unseemly for a supposed democratic high ground country.

They have embarrassed and undermined Ukraine in a manner that is both tyrannical annd immoral, given the lives that country has sacrificed to try to defend itself. But then, Trump thinks people who sacrifice their lives for their country are mugs! He’s said it about Americans in Normandy!

The negotiation should have been that Putin moves no further west and that the Kursk area will be exchanged for territory on the western front of the war…AND that Ukraine WILL BE IMMEDIATELY brought into NATO, but will be a non-nuclear buffer zone country.

Ukraine already gave up their nukes for peace and protection, and look what it got them!

Trump, Vance and the sycophantic cult are being absolute cunts, and Trump belittling Zelenskyy on the world stage as a semi-decent comedian who won’t allow elections in his “democratic” country SHOULD BE beneath ANY U.S. President…and would be for any OTHER U.S. President!

I’m literally embarrassed and sickened by Trump and his band of ignorant fascists.
 
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The Northern Baptist said:
Is this true? Or is this just what you want to believe?
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When you scratch below the surface of small territorial gains over the last few months, the underlying narrative is that Russia is on the ropes, economically and militarily. Several things point towards this: the level of inflation, the extent in the degradation in their oil refining, capacity, the use of North Korean troops on the battlefield, the inability to retake Kursk, the significant reduction in artillery use of late and the state and type of hardware being used on the front line.

Just because people say something will happen and it doesn’t for ages, doesn’t mean it never will. The available, relevant evidence suggests Russia is likely in serious trouble.
 
Dax777 said:
No. It was a misstatement because he was off on a tangent when he said it. It was wrong. And he should have more discipline. But its nothing more than that. He and Zelensky are clearly at odds and he was in Zelensky attack mode.



Well, lets wait and see. Perhaps you are right.
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It was a lie.
It was also a character assassination with intent on vilifying Zelensky.
 
Dax777 said:
At some level I agree with you. But the problem is neither America nor Europe seem to want to send their sons and daughters to die defending Ukraine's sovereignty.

We both seem to be more interested in sending money and ammunition. Which at best only allows Ukraine to hold a stalemate while citizens die... So far a Million have died?

Either we jump all in ( which neither America nor most of the other Western superpowers Germany, UK, France) seem to want to do. So negotiations seem to be the only option left, no? Or am I reading this wrong?
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You’re reading it,…. I tempted to say naively but no that’s not you.

How do you hold negotiations without one side of the conflict.

They never wanted him in a negotiation. They met to carve things up. They want him out. The absolute shite Trump presented to the world as an attempt at justifying his actions was just that…. Shite.

America- your ally? Give us 50% of your future if you want any more support. Oh and we’ve given your aggressors in Russia everything they want. - Do you agree?

If Europe don’t stand by Ukraine, we are almost as bad and will suffer further consequences in the future.
 
Dax777 said:
At some level I agree with you. But the problem is neither America nor Europe seem to want to send their sons and daughters to die defending Ukraine's sovereignty.

We both seem to be more interested in sending money and ammunition. Which at best only allows Ukraine to hold a stalemate while citizens die... So far a Million have died?

Either we jump all in ( which neither America nor most of the other Western superpowers Germany, UK, France) seem to want to do. So negotiations seem to be the only option left, no? Or am I reading this wrong?
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You’re reading it wrong.

I’m not advocating nukes, but between bullets and nukes lies billions in weapons research that should be being put to good use.

It’s funny to me that Russia invades parts of Ukraine and, because it’s so impoverished and gave away its nukes for a promise of peace and protection, it has to go cap in hand to those that would welcome the democracy in the LARGEST COUNTRY IN EUROPE into the fold, but, you know…war!

Meanwhile, surrounded by Russia on almost 3 sides, Ukraine is told, “Oh, you mustn’t do anything to Russia IN RUSSIA, because that’s just not on. No, try to push them back from their entrenched positions in their…it’s in the word…trenches!

FUCK THAT! Give ‘em some decent missiles and warn Russia that war is coming to their doorstep unless they put their shit back in their box! If the warning is not heeded, then send a few serious missiles down range across the border at a trophy or two!

Three years of begging and NOW Trump is going to bend Zelenskyy over, raw dog him, and let Vladimir watch while cheering???

Embarrassing. Traitorous. Deadly.

The ONLY thing Putin understands and respects is “Peace through Strength.”

This is not that, and he’s making the Puppet dance to his tune! Sickening.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
If Europe don’t stand by Ukraine, we are almost as bad and will suffer further consequences in the future.
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It’s been 80 years. Did you study, because here comes the test!

It’s PASS/FAIL, but FAILing does not bear thinking about!

My apologies, but over to you!

Good luck to us all.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Meh.

Maybe Trump is compromised. Occam's razor suggests that he's possibly not - Trump loves dictator strong men - Kim Jong Un, Viktor Orbán, Putin - so his inclination is to like Russia. Plus Trump has had business deals with Russia and (presumably) wants more.

Either way - it doesn't seem to matter.

Trump is very pro-Russia - and whether or not he's compromised matters little (even should proof emerge that he's compromised, it's never going to affect him).
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I suspect that last paragraph is right, and whatever his motives it's hard to see how they ultimately represent the US's best interests. I suppose any Americans comfortable with the idea of a three empires authoritarian world might disagree but I doubt things will work out that neatly for them. Dark dark days.
 
Interesting new polling finally shows some good news. Early doors - well over a year until the midterms - and we all know how much stock we can put in polls, but every poll recently taken shows that Trump is historically unpopular for a President at this point in his tenure:

This first link is especially well worth watching.




 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Interesting new polling finally shows some good news. Early doors - well over a year until the midterms - and we all know how much stock we can put in polls, but every poll recently taken shows that Trump is historically unpopular for a President at this point in his tenure:

This first link is especially well worth watching.




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How much can we rely on the polling mate? In the run-up to the election, the polls indicated that the result would be a lot closer than it was and it came as a shock to many of us just how much Trump ran away with it
 
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