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Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
"convoluted, dogmatic rules are spoiling perfectly good goals? What a mess."

This is a perfect description and applies to both the hand ball rules and the use of VAR.

The "clear and obvious" principle for a start is inherently flawed. One man's clear and obvious is another man's murky and obscure.

It could be so much simpler.
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Agree and var should be looking at the whole incident and not isolating the refs interpretation of a particular phase (handball against Erl) instead of seeing that a potential pen (2 spurs defenders possibly handling it ) maguires challenge on young instead of also looking at deligts challenge , Imo last night I didnt see the ref disallowing the goal I could of sworn he pointed towards the centre circle I may be wrong , watching numerous replays I dont even think Erl handled it as the law stands (chest upper arm at worst) goal shoudve stood if var told him not enough conclusive evidence to overule him ? wtf that even mean ? what happened to the var audio trial ? wasnt it rolled out for 1 game whats happened since ? after following us all over the country since 1975 Im drifting further and further away from the game I once loved.
 
The commentator on MotD, was it Screechy Pierce?, seems to have had access to the verbals from VAR! "There is no conclusive evidence that it wasn't handball!" Why the negative? If there is no conclusive evidence that it wasn't handball there just as much inconclusive evidence that it was. Lineker showed up the stupidity of the application of the LotG when he said that if the ball hits the forward's arm it's handball, if it hits the defender then it's not. Why have we got such crass stupidity written into the LotG and the application of VAR and when VAR sez there's nothing there we go back to the ref's initial 'guess'! Any other ball chasing team game operate in a similar manner? Thought not!
 
pride in battle said:
Really ? Absolute shit show all round !!
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I’m no fan of the decision. But other than the ref ruling it out. What was wrong with the decision. It wasn’t clear that Haaland didn’t hand ball it, and by understanding they can’t look at the Spurs handballs as that decision wasn’t give. The VAR footage didn’t show any clear and obvious errors as far as I could see. If the ref gave the Haaland goal and VAR overruled it, it would have been a disgrace.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
"convoluted, dogmatic rules are spoiling perfectly good goals? What a mess."

This is a perfect description and applies to both the hand ball rules and the use of VAR.

The "clear and obvious" principle for a start is inherently flawed. One man's clear and obvious is another man's murky and obscure.

It could be so much simpler.
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A ref needs a degree of agency or there is no real point in having one. Why not get AI to officiate? I accept the principle mentioned can be problematical but I would not say it is inherently flawed. I cannot discuss last nights incident as I have not seen it yet.
 
Asa's left peg said:
Let's start at the beginning with the disallowed goal. He couldn't possibly have seen that through 3 players and especially through Erls hand/body. You cannot guess, and he did.
Saw what he wanted to.
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Agree. A future change should be that VAR is empowered to compute what the referee has physically seen and thus rule out what the referee has inferred.
 
Blueknows said:
Agree and var should be looking at the whole incident and not isolating the refs interpretation of a particular phase (handball against Erl) instead of seeing that a potential pen (2 spurs defenders possibly handling it ) maguires challenge on young instead of also looking at deligts challenge , Imo last night I didnt see the ref disallowing the goal I could of sworn he pointed towards the centre circle I may be wrong , watching numerous replays I dont even think Erl handled it as the law stands (chest upper arm at worst) goal shoudve stood if var told him not enough conclusive evidence to overule him ? wtf that even mean ? what happened to the var audio trial ? wasnt it rolled out for 1 game whats happened since ? after following us all over the country since 1975 Im drifting further and further away from the game I once loved.
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I think the Audio Trial was just that a trial. I expect some version of it will appear next August in the PL
 
schfc6 said:
I’m no fan of the decision. But other than the ref ruling it out. What was wrong with the decision. It wasn’t clear that Haaland didn’t hand ball it, and by understanding they can’t look at the Spurs handballs as that decision wasn’t give. The VAR footage didn’t show any clear and obvious errors as far as I could see. If the ref gave the Haaland goal and VAR overruled it, it would have been a disgrace.
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Strange that the referee only blew the whistle a few seconds after the goal was scored and Haaland was away in the corner celebrating. Why the delay? Why not blow the whistle when he "saw" the "handball" by Haaland.

You would also think he saw the two handballs by the spurs players as well considering that his eyesight is so good. Or maybe not? Maybe his eyesight is unreliable and he only saw one of the three handballs and thought it was Haalands hand?
 
Father Paul said:
I think the Audio Trial was just that a trial. I expect some version of it will appear next August in the PL
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they said the same about semi auto offside still not been implemented , were playing in 3 different competitions all with different technology , carabao (no var until semis) CL (semi auto offside) fa cup ( var from the 5th round) games a fucking mess imo
 
halfcenturyup said:
It will be like the explanation for the Young non-penalty we saw at the weekend. VAR could only look at the decision made by the referee which was a penalty against Maguire for holding and overturn it. They couldn't give a penalty for the shirt pulling by de Ligt because he wasn't penalised by the referee but they could show the incident and let the referee make his own mind up. I don't know how long that has been a rule, but it's a coincidence it was applied favourably to United. I don't know how often a pitch side review leads to a referee maintaining his original decision, but it's also a coincidence that it favoured United this time.

Last night, they will say they couldn't look at the defensive handballs because that wasn't the decision given by the referee. It will be interesting to see if the referee checked for defensive handballs in his pitch side review, but it's a coincidence all this penalised City.

Is it any wonder people are falling out of love with the game when such convoluted, dogmatic rules are spoiling perfectly good goals? What a mess.

It's a simple game but ridiculous rules are draining it of its enjoyment.
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So how can they disallow a goal, let’s say at Anfield, for a foul in the build up if the ref doesn’t penalise it at the time?
 
The refereeing decision smacks of somebody looking at that and thinking 'how can I disallow it?'.

I don't think that anybody with an open mind could look at that melée - in real time - and be able to single out a clearly-defined handball.
 
Did the referee Disallow the goal for handball? So var had to look at concrete evidence! If not was var looking at it find evidence that it wasn't 100% handball then the goal should of stood
 
Don't know why VAR can't just look at anything remotely iffy, all the time, without the ref even knowing. At least, anything in the penalty areas.

Generally, refs don't miss a lot and there'd probably only be the odd occasion where play would have to be called back. Maybe impose a maximum 15-second window for VAR crew to decide, say.

On those occasions that it is called back, nobody can moan - any more than you can moan about getting caught for 2mph over the limit (speaking from personal experience :-( ) - if the decision's correct, it's correct.
 
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