Irish Current Affairs

[mancity2012_eamo]

Well, it was John Hume who said that there was no point in simply erasing a border on a map. It was the borders in hearts and minds thst needed to shift. We're nowhere that point.

There are two traditions on this island, and, while there is some common ground, two very different cultures. I cannot see how an harmonious state, with a shared purpose and vision, could emerge from the various factions. (Opinion polls in the south show that we won't even give up our flag and anthem to accommodate a different tradition!) In reality, the only practical arrangement is the current constitutional position. Any attempt to change that will likely lead to a return to muder and mayhem.

May whatever version of god you believe in, forbid!

 

[Irish Blue82]

Well, it was John Hume who said that there was no point in simply erasing a border on a map. It was the borders in hearts and minds thst needed to shift. We're nowhere that point.

There are two traditions on this island, and, while there is some common ground, two very different cultures. I cannot see how an harmonious state, with a shared purpose and vision, could emerge from the various factions. (Opinion polls in the south show that we won't even give up our flag and anthem to accommodate a different tradition!) In reality, the only practical arrangement is the current constitutional position. Any attempt to change that will likely lead to a return to muder and mayhem.

Can't argue with anything you've said in this post but at the same time (obviously at the minute it's not the case) but if and when the majority of people in the North decide they want to unite with the rest of Ireland . They're wishes can't be ignored just to placate a minority of loyalists who threaten violence!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Can't argue with anything you've said in this post but at the same time (obviously at the minute it's not the case) but if and when the majority of people in the North decide they want to unite with the rest of Ireland . They're wishes can't be ignored just to placate a minority of loyalists who threaten violence!

Don’t think that’s what Ballymagash is saying but I’ll let him speak for himself.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

Can't argue with anything you've said in this post but at the same time (obviously at the minute it's not the case) but if and when the majority of people in the North decide they want to unite with the rest of Ireland . They're wishes can't be ignored just to placate a minority of loyalists who threaten violence!

So if 50%+1 in NI vote for a UI, let's fly the tricolour over Stormont in the morning, put thr profiles of the men of 1916 in all the schools, paint the postboxes green! And sit back and watch the slaughter?

And the following year, when 50%+1 want to change back, what do we do?

The only thing that should concern people of good will is living in peace with their neighbours, being respectful of their culture and traditions, and working together to improve the lives of everyone on the island. There is no space for incredibly divisive debates until we reach that point. Pushing border polls and constantly beating the UI drum is dancing to the tune of SF/IRA.

So there is a long way to travel before we should even talk about having a poll (and we could start in this republic by ceasing to vote for IRA proxies).

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

So if 50%+1 in NI vote for a UI, let's fly the tricolour over Stormont in the morning, put thr profiles of the men of 1916 in all the schools, paint the postboxes green! And sit back and watch the slaughter?

And the following year, when 50%+1 want to change back, what do we do?

The only thing that should concern people of good will is living in peace with their neighbours, being respectful of their culture and traditions, and working together to improve the lives of everyone on the island. There is no space for incredibly divisive debates until we reach that point. Pushing border polls and constantly beating the UI drum is dancing to the tune of SF/IRA.

So there is a long way to travel before we should even talk about having a poll (and we could start in this republic by ceasing to vote for IRA proxies).

Put it this way for any nationalist hardliners.
Ireland supports a two state solution for Palestine.
If there was ever going to be an integrated one state entity it had to be inclusive of both traditions and it had to respect what was agreed in the original agreement.
That never happened and Israel shows no signs of being willing to rectify that.

The same goes for Northern Ireland and it didn’t happen at the inception of the state.

They are the sins of the past but they don’t have to be carried forward into the future.

I do think we in the south could embrace our common history in a far more objective way than I was certainly taught in Christian Brother school. Those in the north most definitely need to do the same, but at the end of the day we need to share this island in the most beneficial way for all of us.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

And it didn't happen at the inception of Saorstat Eireann. The Protestant population in the south went from 15% to 3% within a few years. That's on us. If NI was a cold house for Catholics, the putative republic was an icebox for Protestants!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

And it didn't happen at the inception of Saorstat Eireann. The Protestant population in the south went from 15% to 3% within a few years. That's on us. If NI was a cold house for Catholics, the putative republic was an icebox for Protestants!

Like I stated when talking about the stage of Irish history I’m at, currently.
The 1700’s were a time of uncommon peace and prosperity in Irish history. However, the Protestant landowners and political classes, although the minority, kept the majority of the country in the most squalid conditions recorded in Europe.
The extreme climate conditions and resulting famine of 1741 in Ireland was experienced the worst in Europe with the possible exception of Norway.

However after the 1916 rising and the civil war and declaration of the republic, I have already stated that I believe De Valera set the country back for at least 50 years with his setting up of a Catholic state that so many not of that faith had fought for. Or more accurately not what they thought they had fought for.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

So if 50%+1 in NI vote for a UI, let's fly the tricolour over Stormont in the morning, put thr profiles of the men of 1916 in all the schools, paint the postboxes green! And sit back and watch the slaughter?

Come on, thats a ridiculous suggestion, would never happen and its not something thats being asked either

 

[Ducado]

In the long run peace and prosperity trumps (yes I know) tribal loyalties Ireland is a different country nowadays it's still a Catholic country but it's increasingly secular, if the majority want to reunite then so be it

Interesting historical fact prior to the plantations (and one of the reasons for them) Northern Ireland was the the most galic part of Ireland it could be argued that repeated invasions had pushed the native populations to the extremes (Connaught is still very galic ) the rest of Ireland is quite a admixture of different races a bit like parts of the UK

 

[Saddleworth2]

Really interesting discussion guys. It sounds like you are still miles off unification looking at the poll and the above. They used to say, as the Scottish population ages Independence would come naturally. I remember hearing that first about 20 years ago. I suspect that in 20 years time a similar poll in Ireland will look remarkably like the one under discussion. If you were ever to have a referendum it would surely have to be won by a supra majority.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

Come on, thats a ridiculous suggestion, would never happen and its not something thats being asked either

I was exaggerating! The point is that majoritarianism cannot be the basis to countenance constitutional change in NI.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Really interesting discussion guys. It sounds like you are still miles off unification looking at the poll and the above. They used to say, as the Scottish population ages Independence would come naturally. I remember hearing that first about 20 years ago. I suspect that in 20 years time a similar poll in Ireland will look remarkably like the one under discussion. If you were ever to have a referendum it would surely have to be won by a supra majority.

Have a feeling we discussed this before Sadds, but it would have to get a majority both sides of the border. In that respect count it as two referenda.
The GFA actually gave the loyalist community a guarantee that as long as a majority in the north want to stay in the UK, they can.

Now nothing of the sort was given to the rest of you in the UK.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

It’s some years since I was in Ireland except for a wedding in Dublin, I read on X immigration is out of control in Dublin is it a problem and how do they travel to Ireland? as it’s an island.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

It’s some years since I was in Ireland except for a wedding in Dublin, I read on X immigration is out of control in Dublin is it a problem and how do they travel to Ireland? as it’s an island.

Plane. Most of the immigration here is legal.

Is it a problem? Well, the population is growing rapidly, but the infrastructure, and particularly housing, is not there to support it. But the economy needs the workers, so.....

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It’s some years since I was in Ireland except for a wedding in Dublin, I read on X immigration is out of control in Dublin is it a problem and how do they travel to Ireland? as it’s an island.

Dublin is a Kip with or without the immigrants.
Homelessness is rife.
The place is filthy. The north side in particular.

Seriously. Don’t come here.

 

[Greenblue92]

It’s some years since I was in Ireland except for a wedding in Dublin, I read on X immigration is out of control in Dublin is it a problem and how do they travel to Ireland? as it’s an island.

It seems via planes and another option used is going through the UK, travelling down from the North and then claiming asylum in Ireland. They appear to be supported by some of the 32000 NGO's operating in Ireland.

We've had a South American immigrant stab 4 Irish citizens last week and an African knife brawl last night that has left one of them dead on the streets of Dublin, so yes it is a problem and only seems to be going one way.

Dublin is a complete kip and has only gotten worse, and some of the streets (Talbot for example) you will struggle to see an Irish person at times. North Side is covered in those vape and mobile repair shops, cafes filled with non working foreigners all times during the day. Witness it all the time when commuting.

Anyway :)

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

I met with Taoiseach
@MichealMartinTD
of Ireland. Ukraine deeply appreciates the support and assistance of the Irish people and government, as well as everything they have provided to help strengthen our defense against Russian terror.
We discussed steps toward ending the war with a guaranteed peace for Ukraine and all of Europe, the importance of unity between Ukraine, Europe, the United States, and all those committed to global stability on this path.
We also talked about security guarantees and cooperation on Ukraine’s path to the EU. We are grateful to Ireland for standing with us in all of these areas.We also addressed Ireland’s participation in the Demining Coalition and EU training missions, as well as non-lethal security assistance that will help save lives.
Additionally, we discussed our humanitarian initiative, Food from Ukraine, and how Ireland can contribute

Zelenskyy in Ireland I think it was today

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

It seems via planes and another option used is going through the UK, travelling down from the North and then claiming asylum in Ireland. They appear to be supported by some of the 32000 NGO's operating in Ireland.

We've had a South American immigrant stab 4 Irish citizens last week and an African knife brawl last night that has left one of them dead on the streets of Dublin, so yes it is a problem and only seems to be going one way.

Dublin is a complete kip and has only gotten worse, and some of the streets (Talbot for example) you will struggle to see an Irish person at times. North Side is covered in those vape and mobile repair shops, cafes filled with non working foreigners all times during the day. Witness it all the time when commuting.

Anyway :)

That’s sad because it was a clean and tidy City with some great architecture, I saw pictures of the riot a few weeks ago. The new chancellor in Germany is going to do something about immigration because it’s out of control there as well.
With the sea between us I didn’t think you would be affected like London has been

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Dublin is a Kip with or without the immigrants.
Homelessness is rife.
The place is filthy. The north side in particular.

Seriously. Don’t come here.

Weddings :) and funerals I’ll be there :(

 

[Xhavenjoe]

That’s sad because it was a clean and tidy City with some great architecture, I saw pictures of the riot a few weeks ago. The new chancellor in Germany is going to do something about immigration because it’s out of control there as well.
With the sea between us I didn’t think you would be affected like London has been

From todays paper

32 PEOPLE WERE deported to Georgia from Ireland on a chartered flight last night.

Minister for Justice Jim O’Callaghan confirmed this morning that the flight chartered by the Department of Justice had left Dublin for Tbilisi, and has since landed.

The operation involved the deportation of 28 men, 3 women, and a child who was on the flight with their mother and father.

The Department said that those aboard the flight had all received Deportation Orders from the State. They were accompanied aboard the flight by gardaí, medical staff, an interpreter and a human rights observer.

The cost of the flight was €102,476, according to O’Callaghan.