Russian invasion of Ukraine

[r.soleofsalford]

Macron doing the support Ukraine in public - don't support them behind tge scenes again.
He's trying to block the €30bn EU military support scheme in committee along with some other southern European states.
I smell a back stabbing in progress.

I hope not.

 

[Don Karleone]

 

[Citizen Mike]

Zelenskyy was provoked and was standing up to two bullying corrupt twats.
The only people who should be forced to resign are trump and vance

who have just been elected after stating they disagreed with the war. That is democracy. They may be twats but if I'm a Ukrainian I would not be delighted after losing my most powerful ally. Equally the Russians will be delighted

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If Zelensky knew this was coming, what a brave thing to expose yourself to. His English is ok, but he isn’t fluent. To commit to that, when your English isn’t brilliant, given the location, and given what’s on the line for his country, is an incredibly brave thing to agree to.

 

[yeseye]

It don't matter really does it end off the day America do "have the cards ",,,,,no fking way on earth even if you wanted to can you stand up to them ,,,end off

Of

 

[SamBlue]

Well after watching that farce I really don't know where we stand.

If Europe decides to stand then it seems things are about to get pretty bloody real.

Stand how, like back in 1992 when they let Serbs eviscerate Bosnia and its Muslim majority government, the very same one they recognized in 1992. And incessantly talked to Milosevic directly involved in supporting forces that killed tens of thousands civilians. We talk about that Europe?!?!
There is neither appetite nor military capability among EU countries to dramatically change anything. Utterly depressing, but I don't see Ukrainians stopping the fight, for them it is fucking existential.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This whole thing has to be as a consequence of the negotiations going south. I expect because Trump tried to lowball Ukraine.

 

[Kippax1973]

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Fuk off dick

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Fuk off dick

Fuck

 

[BobKowalski]

who have just been elected after stating they disagreed with the war. That is democracy. They may be twats but if I'm a Ukrainian I would not be delighted after losing my most powerful ally. Equally the Russians will be delighted

They don’t disagree with the war. They just support the other side. Attempting to tie in US support with the offer of mineral rights was a gamble, but one worth taking. Reality is, Ukraine is no better or worse off than it was 24 hours ago.

The other reality is that Europe is on its own in this fight. It’s down to us.

 

[mosssideblue]

If Trump wants his minerals, then he's not going to get the security of having them if Russia control the land they are on.

He will by helping Putin get the land

 

[RadcliffeRick]

I have seen some disrespectful arseholes in my time but to set up the elected president of a country that has been invaded live on TV like that is inexcusable.

 

[mosssideblue]

Trump negotiates everything from a power base. He sees Ukraine as in trouble without America's help. Vance is a **** and clearly ruffled Zelensky who then ruffled Trump when he said America will feel the influence of Russia. I feel Zelensky has to resign now as that could not have gone any worse.

WTF should Zelensky resign?

 

[cityontheup]

who have just been elected after stating they disagreed with the war. That is democracy. They may be twats but if I'm a Ukrainian I would not be delighted after losing my most powerful ally. Equally the Russians will be delighted

R u on the winde up mate, Zelenskyy is an elected leader of a sovereign country is involved in a war against a country who invaded Ukraine after renaging on numerous peace/ceasefire agreements. Trump and Vance are putins puppets more interested in lining their own pockets.
You need to wake up and smell what your shovelling pal

 

[cityontheup]

Time to wipe that smile off putins face….blow the bridge

 

[ninjamonkey]

who have just been elected after stating they disagreed with the war. That is democracy. They may be twats but if I'm a Ukrainian I would not be delighted after losing my most powerful ally. Equally the Russians will be delighted

They dont want to be an ally. No point rolling over when it's becoming increasingly clear they have no interest in siding with Ukraine under trump and going against his mate and puppet master Putin. They're looking for a way out of supporting ukraine, zelensky may have just given them one but they'll have found one soon enough regardless. Ukraine, with Europe will have to fight on without them at some point, at worst it may have advanced that timeline. Whatever happens next, if America pulls their support, Trump and his little pet chihuahua Vance will go down in history as the ones who abandoned them and caused whatever happens next.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Maybe orange 47 wants Russia to continue until it has all the mineral areas and then do a deal with them.

Absolute arsehole

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Trump negotiates everything from a power base. He sees Ukraine as in trouble without America's help. Vance is a **** and clearly ruffled Zelensky who then ruffled Trump when he said America will feel the influence of Russia. I feel Zelensky has to resign now as that could not have gone any worse.

if you think that couldn’t have gone any worse, you obviously haven’t been to many crack-houses.

 

[wolviedinho]

If Zelensky knew this was coming, what a brave thing to expose yourself to. His English is ok, but he isn’t fluent. To commit to that, when your English isn’t brilliant, given the location, and given what’s on the line for his country, is an incredibly brave thing to agree to.

Definitely an ambush.

Hang in Zelenskyy. Anyone with a brain must be right behind this man.

Vance got handed his ass and starting being a dick.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Simple truth is that Starmer, Macron et al now need to pick a side.

These two horses cannot be ridden simultaneously.