President Trump

mackenzie said:
Oh come on. She came across as totally out of her depth and comfort zone.
I honestly believe she is on some kind of medication that effects her ability to put forward a straight answer. She just rambles and it got worse thoughout the campaign.
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Compared to that orange oath who can barely string a sentence together ?
 
mackenzie said:
Oh come on. She came across as totally out of her depth and comfort zone.
I honestly believe she is on some kind of medication that effects her ability to put forward a straight answer. She just rambles and it got worse thoughout the campaign.
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No. No she didn’t. She’s got way more government experience than the rapist. You want to talk about straight answers? I bet she knows the difference between transgender & transgenic. Your boy is a fucking moron. The village idiot would be a better option than him. Rambling? See the 2 hour dementia rant the orange Hitler had the other day. You’re hilarious.

Are they still eating cats & dogs in Ohio? Funny how that just went away
 
ChicagoBlue said:
We have to let the institutions that protect us do their thing…IF they are going to do their thing! If not, then we reach a different phase of play and other actions might be required.
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The dissidents are playing by the rules, shitgibbon&Co. most certainly do not. I hope your checks and measures are strong enough to withstand the assault on democracy and the constitution, I really do
 
grandsolo said:
No. No she didn’t. She’s got way more government experience than the rapist. You want to talk about straight answers? I bet she knows the difference between transgender & transgenic. Your boy is a fucking moron. The village idiot would be a better option than him. Rambling? See the 2 hour dementia rant the orange Hitler had the other day. You’re hilarious.
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Mackenzie isn't pro shitgibbon
 
grandsolo said:
More shitgibbon than Kamala. How anyone can even compare the 2 and not completely shit on the nazi rapist is beyond me
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the conversation didn't start about shitgibbon v kamala, it started about my comment about the democrats needing to pick a straight white male for their next nomination (which I think you agreed with earlier?). Mackenzie disagreed and thought it should be about policies rather than the person. Shitgibbon didn't really feature except as a sidebar, which would obviously piss off the mango moron :)
 
grandsolo said:
More shitgibbon than Kamala. How anyone can even compare the 2 and not completely shit on the nazi rapist is beyond me
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It’s just the people fed up with how things have turned out on their journey to “well, we’ve tried everything else and nothing has worked, so might as well give fascism a try”.
 
flook said:
the conversation didn't start about shitgibbon v kamala, it started about my comment about the democrats needing to pick a straight white male for their next nomination (which I think you agreed with earlier?). Mackenzie disagreed and thought it should be about policies rather than the person. Shitgibbon didn't really feature except as a sidebar, which would obviously piss off the mango moron :)
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Ok then on policy:
Trump: wants to remove rights for everyone e except WASPS and the rich. Thinks he is king
Kamala: still believes in democracy

I’m still right.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s just the people fed up with how things have turned out on their journey to “well, we’ve tried everything else and nothing has worked, so might as well give fascism a try”.
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They gave that a try in 2016 to disastrous results. America as a country is fucking stupid to allow it to happen again
 
grandsolo said:
Ok then on policy:
Trump: wants to remove rights for everyone e except WASPS and the rich. Thinks he is king
Kamala: still believes in democracy

I’m still right.
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no one is saying you're wrong (well, mackenzie is) but she wasn't supporting Shitgibbon, just had a different view about who should beat him
 
mackenzie said:
Best candidate, best message----no brainer.
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Intuitively that seems right but there's a fundamental issue that a comforting simple lie is much easier to sell than a more complex truth.

Populist have always done this but the problem has got worse because modern technology and communications culture play into the hands of populist liars more than other types of politicians. Sometimes there are no simple answers that can be articulated in a three or four word slogan but we know that repetition of short form simple disinformation does a job on people irrespective of their intellect. There's neuroscientific evidence to back this unfortunate truth up and that neuroscience is being weaponised by bad guys.

The good guys typically don't get back in by coming up with a more compelling slogan or better bullet points than the bad guys. They get back in when the bad guys screw up so badly that people feel sufficient pain they will vote for whatever "not the bad guy" is available. The "not the bad guy" then needs significant time to sort out the shit show but straight away the bad guy is back on it with their highly effective lying model and before you know it people's memories are short and we are in rinse and repeat mode. In the UK Starmer and Labour didn't get in because the message was compelling; they got in because the lying bad guys were so inept that we had tens of thousands of unnecessary pandemic deaths, near collapse of some of our infrastructure and absolute economic chaos. Despite that absolute clusterfuck, simplistic lies about how we can fix things will resonate with people and there's a decent chance an accomplished liar will be able to win in 2029. Trump's second term makes no rational sense other than as evidence that modern society, technology and culture suits a populist liar more than any other sort of politician.

We have debased politics to the level of reality TV, in the case of the US pretty much literally. But the consequences of people's votes aren't someone getting voted off the island or having to eat a kangaroos arse. The consequences of people's votes are innocent children being crushed to death in collapsed buildings and the destabilisation of the planet.

IMO the processes and approaches to electing our leaders are now so inadequate relative to the consequences involved that it is not sustainable. So we have two choices: either explicitly or implicitly give up on liberal western democracy or try and fix it and make our democratic processes fit for purpose. This is going to be difficult because the bad guys aren't going to give up the inherent advantages of for example being able to lie with impunity, because why would they? But the alternative is to accept either a descent into permanent authoritarianism or the chaos of polarising yoyo politics. Despite all the powerful vested interests who would oppose strengthening our declining democracy I still believe it's possible to fix things if a sufficient proportion of people are prepared to lend their support to any politicians (in coalition or otherwise) who are serious about democratic renewal and reform.
 
flook said:
no one is saying you're wrong (well, mackenzie is) but she wasn't supporting Shitgibbon, just had a different view about who should beat him
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Anyone would have been a better choice than him. That’s the entire point.
 
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