Do you agree with Capello? (Regarding Pep)

[Gazza]

Capello isn't a patch on Pep, however, he is entitled to an opinion, which we are entitled to disagree with.

I admire your courage for posting the article in the first place knowing that there would be a pile on and a lot of knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Cityfan]

For those getting fired up thinking this is an attack on Pep, or questioning what he has or hasn't won, it isn't.

He is undoubtedly the best manager the world has seen, a true genius, but all geniuses have flaws. I think Pep has a tendency to over think and over compensate for things he thinks aren't perfect.

I just thought this would spark and interesting debate.

We well you've edited your opening post when initially you said you agreed with every point.

Does he overthink?

Well he innovates frequently and occasionally those innovations don't work, no one is infallible.

More often they do work, but sometimes they take time, practice and the occasional tweak before they work.

Personally I don't see this as a fault.

 

[willipp]

Care to elaborate on that point?

Over the last 24 hours I’ve heard plenty of ex pros and media jumping on the bandwagon of highlighting that Peps way of playing isn’t the best way to win games. Probably the same people licking his arse for the last 7 years when Peps way of playing has re defined what it takes to win.

 

[Shirley]

I'm sad to say, I do agree on some parts

Not sure about the 'damaging' football bit or arrogance though.

But certainly this bit

"Why are you going to watch 90 minutes of passes and horizontal passes without fighting, without running." - This pretty much sums up yesterday's game

Ex-England manager launches scathing tirade against 'arrogant' Pep Guardiola

Pep Guardiola has come under an astonishing attack from Fabio Capello.

www.90min.com

Not exactly the msm is it, infact who reads www.90 fcukin min

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

People won't hear a bad word about Pep so this thread will be greeted with defence on mass (unlike our side currently)

I don't like people complaining about how everyone has tried to copy him etc, that isn't his fault and is a compliment that everyone seen his way as the go to way. If you remotely criticise then you have a short memory though. I don't, I remember all of the good, and all of the bad (CL final against Chelsea being the absolute worst from Pep, maybe my undying loyalty doesn't mirror others with just how much he pissed me off that night, then when interviewed smiling and saying we tried our best)

He needs to evolve for next season and I think he will, he isn't stupid and hopefully he sees our slow and very boring build up not only doesn't work anymore, but it is dull as dishwater to watch.

Capello won't appreciate Pep, I don't think many of them old school dinosaur managers do. That's whats great with Warnock, he is the opposite.

 

[Matt Diablo]

We well you've edited your opening post when initially you said you agreed with every point.

Does he overthink?

Well he innovates frequently and occasionally those innovations don't work, no one is infallible.

More often they do work, but sometimes they take time, practice and the occasional tweak before they work.

Personally I don't see this as a fault.

Starting Rodri AND Fernindinho on bench for gondog in final vrs Chelski was definately a massive fuk up

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Over the last 24 hours I’ve heard plenty of ex pros and media jumping on the bandwagon of highlighting that Peps way of playing isn’t the best way to win games. Probably the same people licking his arse for the last 7 years when Peps way of playing has re defined what it takes to win.

That way of playing wasn't the same during them 7 years. We would play, with pace, with purpose and directly in them earlier years. That evolved to even more heavily possession based and pulling the opposition all over. Tactics and formation changed. He needs to evolve and change again for future success and I am sure he will.

 

[ArniArason]

We well you've edited your opening post when initially you said you agreed with every point.

Does he overthink?

Well he innovates frequently and occasionally those innovations don't work, no one is infallible.

More often they do work, but sometimes they take time, practice and the occasional tweak before they work.

Personally I don't see this as a fault.

Am I not entitled to change my wording in a post? (and by the way, I didn't say I agreed with every point). You have to choose your words very carefully on this forum, otherwise you're at risk of being labelled a rag or the enemy.

I challenge any city fan to say that Pep hasn't lost big games by trying to be too clever tactically, or that there are many games where the team has endless possession,.side to side passes, but no end product.

The idea of debate is that you can either agree or disagree with parts of what someone says without agreeing or disagreeing on everything someone says, it doesn't have to be a case of you're either with us or against us.

 

[Corky]

He was being mocked by Barcelona before the 1994 CL final.

Jordi's dad in particular, along the lines of he had the chance to buy Romario but bought Marcel Desailly instead.

Desailly walked through them to put Milan 4-0 up and Pep's team mates resorted to chopping down their opposition, as total football had become a total disaster with slow defenders exposed, the Dutch and Catalonians in tears.

The passing out by the GK was greatly helped by changing the Laws in 2018 for Goal Kicks and Free Kicks, before that is was much higher risk and very hard to do.

Both managers smothered the game, one keeping possession and the other with a focus on defence. The power and pace that is missing from City team now would affect any team or system, but football probably is moving on as he stated, the 2024 Spain Euro winners side playing differently to the 2008 winners almost a generation later, going back to being more David White than David Silva.

 

[Georgian Maestro]

So you disagree that Pep hasn't thrown away some of our biggest games by overthinking and trying to be too clever?

Pep's "over-thinking" trying to find new ways to make us better has benefited us many more times than it has cost us.

 

[ArniArason]

Over the last 24 hours I’ve heard plenty of ex pros and media jumping on the bandwagon of highlighting that Peps way of playing isn’t the best way to win games. Probably the same people licking his arse for the last 7 years when Peps way of playing has re defined what it takes to win.

Oh I agree with that, but sadly that's modern human nature, to kick a man when he's down. But I don't think Capello was doing that. He's also a CL winning manager, so he has more right to an opinion that many of the hacks do. I guess his views come from the fact that he and Pep have very different ideologies regarding how the game should be played and how players should be managed.

Personally I don't think it shows much class critisicing fellow managers, and I don't think you'll ever see Pep doing that, but he's still entitled to an opinion I guess

 

[Crooked_rain]

Nope.

Pep's teams are great to watch when they're on it. Look at when we smashed Real Madrid a couple of years ago. That was as good as it gets from a footballing aspects and entertainment. Even if you hate City, you can't deny it was good viewing from a pure footballing aspect.

Can it be frustrating to watch when it's not going right? Absolutely, but you can say that about any approach to football.

I do think his style heavily relies on fresh players and the right players, hence why it's gone to shit this season, and he doesn't really budge in terms of his approach but why should he? His CV speaks for itself and if that means an off season while he builds a new squad, so be it.

Once the team is right, his style produces some very entertaining football.

And as for lack of fighting? Complete bollocks from Postman Pat, look at some of our final day league winning games for a start. We've been the best team around at not giving up in games.

 

[Metal Biker]

Greatest and most successful manager at Manchester City FC, winning countless trophies and accolades by incorporating his brand of football; loses a six pointer against Nottingham Forest.

Bluemoon - "Is Peps brand of football actually poop!?!!"

 

[Cravenvirgin]

What a load of absolute bollocks from a fucking clown who turned England into the most boring and useless team in the world. Talking a load of absolute horseshit.

 

[Ken92]

I agree with a fellow poster from yesterday who said that Pep wouldnt be 3rd place with Nottingham forest team ,but would probably be playing for title with current Arsenal team. His football wouldn´t be succesful with a mediocre team ,but with very good players ,his football is probably one of the best ever.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Fucking hell, how have Blues forgotten all those trophies in favour of listening to some of the shite that the Red media throw at us?

As nobody noticed all the injuries this season, leaving us unable to field a decent defensive group. Even yesterday, we had Stones, Akanji, Ake and Rodri unavailable for selection, and that’s been a good weekend.

Pep has been superb for us, exceptional by any standards. Yes, he has the odd brain fart, but who doesn’t.

 

[Cravenvirgin]

I'm sad to say, I do agree on some parts

Not sure about the 'damaging' football bit or arrogance though.

But certainly this bit

"Why are you going to watch 90 minutes of passes and horizontal passes without fighting, without running." - This pretty much sums up yesterday's game

Ex-England manager launches scathing tirade against 'arrogant' Pep Guardiola

Pep Guardiola has come under an astonishing attack from Fabio Capello.

www.90min.com

In that case you are one sad bastard

 

[give it to gordon]

What a load of absolute bollocks from a fucking clown who turned England into the most boring and useless team in the world. Talking a load of absolute horseshit.

Don't think southgate will agree with you on the boring bit ;)

 

[DMA's]

I think the last few seasons we have been quite boring to watch for neutrals. It is very much keep the ball and avoid transitions at all costs. This can lead to a lot of sideways passing whilst city try and lure opposing players out of position.

Contrast to how we played when pep first came in with wide wingers and d silva de bruyne in the 8s. We were so great to watch but we had major flaws which where exposed by better sides particularly in Europe.

I think it is fair to say pep has got a lot more pragmatic as he has got older and also due to his experience in England. It started with the Bernardo and grealish winger during the treble winning season which undoubtedly worked. We won tight games due to moments of brilliance from individual players back then. Now the team isn’t quite as good or players have aged we are struggling.

If I’m honest I haven’t particularly enjoyed the football the last few years it has felt very slow and ponderous but I would counter that with teams do sit in against us so it is hard to entertain.

 

[eastmanc]

One changed the face of the game in England the other fucked up the English national side. Who cares what he has to say.