President Trump

Dax777 said:
Yes, people blike to use false euphemisms to hide what is going on. The Twitter poster pretends the complaint os about leftists not buying Teslas. Its not. Its about vandalism and property destruction being reframed as part of 'boycott'
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Nobody will condone the actions you described, but I still think Trump’s choice of terminology is wrong, but perhaps quite intentional, if the complaint is about those actions you describe.
 
Dax777 said:
At least you are more honest about the violence of the American left. I appreciate that. Some just wish it away :)
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Let’s not go too far here…the violence, petty though it may be in most instances, is by a fringe element on the very far left, and certainly not indicative of the “American left”!

Now, if you want to talk about the American right…?!
 
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Dax777 said:
Biden admin officials on many occasions claimed the 'crisis at the border ' required Congressional action rather than the executive enforcing pre-existing law.
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Again, you have sauced your dish with a hint of truth but then overcooked it!

Biden was working on IMMIGRATION REFORM LEGISLATION that would have addressed the “crisis at the border.” Engaging even the conservatives in Congress, they came to an agreement and then…AND ONLY THEN…Trump (a private citizen!!!) intervened and told Republicans to vote AGAINST IMMIGRATION REFORM…OR ELSE!

They did and then used the “crisis at the border” to create the FUD that right wingers suck down like Lindsay Graham at a glory hole!

Please don’t pretend that Biden couldn’t, because once the R’s showed their arse, he did do an EO, but it is NOT LEGISLATION, that is funded and set in stone! In addition, one can only go so far with an EO, as Trump is finding out on a daily basis!

If you have the ACTUAL FACTS on your side, you don’t need to obfuscate the whole truth behind a scintilla of it. Not only does it weaken your argument, it shows you to be a snidy fucker with the truth!
 
TonyM said:
He's a graceless fucking **** who is both an idiot and a bully so you have to be nicey nicey at least in hope that he doesn't screw you over. So ya I'm afraid grovelling is the only sensible starting point.

Then when he screws you over you can lose the facade and be honest I guess.
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Martin’s diplomacy from what I’ve seen on Virgin Media and RTE has been generally well received.
The consensus seems to be he did well to keep things cordial while taking the trade deficit dig well and getting a counter punch in about Ryanair and Boeing. After all, Ireland is the sixth biggest investor in America.
Trade Deficit? Lates face it, they’ve a population of over 300m and we have about 5.5m.
TBH I wasn’t expecting anything better with this visit and am willing to admit I was expecting a lot worse.
It’s theatre and I would have been happy to take the consequences of cancelling the visit altogether, but it’s probably best that it wasn’t cancelled. Especially in light of recent developments in the Ukraine ceasefire talks.
In one way I’m glad Micheal Martin is enough of a diplomat not to get into the nitty gritty of the likes of Gaza and other stuff in front of camera, but I would like to think some serious Irish opinion was given in private.

At home the main criticism Martin is getting is over his jovial and jocular treatment of the very serious domestic issue of housing which Trump made light of and Martin laughed along with.

I would imagine when he gets back to Dáil Éireann he will take flack for that.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Aye, might be worth calling your insurer and making a claim. But in all seriousness, if you can return something to its original state with minimal effort, then no, it hasn't been damaged. You've been slightly inconvenienced.

If your kid draws on the wall with a pencil and you rub it out, was the wall damaged?
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If I punch you in the nose, it bleeds, but you stop it with a tissue, were you damaged or inconvenienced?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Are we actually debating putting stickers on cars to be illegal/violent/property damage?

Well lock me up, its fuckin funny and i wholeheartedly encourage, condone and celebrate it....

Get them bought!!

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People vs Elon

Don't buy a swasticar. Get your stickers now!
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It’s not funny, it’s what’s wrong with society!

Believe what you want and shout it from the rooftops, but don’t go out and deface other people’s property…house, car, whatever!

As for the stickers, they’re just a money-making scheme from a capitalist who probably believes everything Musk and Trump are doing, so at least you’re doing irony well!!
 
Dax777 said:
Absolutely!

If a Tesla buyer wanted to object to what the owner was doing, not buying Teslas anymore would be a legitimate form of protest.

Vandalism at Tesla stores and harassing private owners of Tesla products wouldn't though, right?

The lert in America doesn't understand this though.
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Yet therein lies the very problem which you apparently don't see, The President did NOT confine his remarks to the limited number of people who have engaged in acts of vandalism or other forms of criminality. He used the words "illegal boycott." Criminal damage is not a "boycott." Attempted arson is not a "boycott."

In other words, he lumps in the many many thousands of people who legitimately exercise their rights as consumers to buy whichever car they want, and who have exercised that right by NOT buying a Tesla, and a handful or criminals who burn and vandalise (you will have to forgive me if the number of criminals is more that the low tens, this criminality has not been widely reported in the UK.) However I will donate a thousand dollars to a charity of your choice if you can demonstrate that the number of criminals vandalising Tesla dealerships etc is greater than the volume of sales Tesla are down on when compared with this time last year.

There is no doubt Trumps failure to distinguish between the lawful and the unlawful is both deliberate and problematic. Both are swept up within the same generalisation, which covers both the criminals and the law-abiding alike. He says nothing about the individuals committing acts of criminality, his use of the phrase "illegal boycott" just wraps up the actions of the lawful with the unlawful. They are his enemies, the messaging runs, therefore they are criminals. And those who voted for him will simply hear the messaging that the boycott is illegal therefore those doing the boycotting are criminals, when the reality is (almost certainly) that a tiny minority have resorted to criminality.
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And you fall for it, because when you say "the left" ( you actually said the "lert" but I'm assuming this is what you meant) you are making the same generalisation that involves assumes anyone on what you define (though you don't actually define it) as "the left" is incapable of distinguishing between the two. More worryingly, it fails to distinguish between peaceful and lawful protest that is fundamental in any democracy and sheer criminality.

That way fascism lies.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It’s not funny, it’s what’s wrong with society!

Believe what you want and shout it from the rooftops, but don’t go out and deface other people’s property…house, car, whatever!

As for the stickers, they’re just a money-making scheme from a capitalist who probably believes everything Musk and Trump are doing, so at least you’re doing irony well!!
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What colour's your Swasticar mate?
 
Dax777 said:
Biden admin officials on many occasions claimed the 'crisis at the border ' required Congressional action rather than the executive enforcing pre-existing law.

Apparently they must have either been lying or lacked the most basic of competence. ...Hmmmmm
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Or maybe they were right and there's a load of things you can't change by executive order.
 
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