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Mrs asked me earlier if we have ever played United in the Champions league. I had to respond with, "Not in Fergie's lifetime".
 
I’d love to take the piss but it’s actually quite sad for football just how awful the whole thing is.

Just like Spurs new stadium that everyone raves about, it’s not a football stadium, it’s a multi events stadium this time with identikit shit bars and food places selling overpriced shite surrounding it catering for thousands who will visit once.

Just like Wembley, just like the outside of our new North Stand will be. Just like America.

At least our gaff still resembles a football ground.

I’m conflicted every time I walk up to SS3 lamenting how shit and basic the interior is and how cramped the concourse is but at least it feels like going to a traditional football match.

I feel for my cousin, a match going red who’s a good guy, walking down their Wembley way, surrounded by bars selling £9.50 pints of Brooklyn Lager in a plastic pot and £16.50 meal deals of a hot dog and chips, using an app that has all your details on to enter the bowl before taking a 6 minute ride on the escalators to the 5th level and row AAA to watch ants play football surrounded by people who spend the majority of the game filming for their content.
 
pride in battle said:
He's a RAG
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Possibly, but he makes some valid, if overly optimistic imho, points about the project.

We also shouldn't forget these are politicians we are talking about, dealing with an unscrupulous businessman. I wouldn't trust anything any of them say. No public funding other than relocating the terminal? It will take some serious monitoring to make sure they keep to that.

And once the government has backed this and started it by funding the relocation, the project can't be allowed to fail. Everyone knows that including the government and Ratcliffe. Expect government loans, subsidies and guarantees to get the stadium finished. If it is ever started, that is.
 
flb said:
When it’s gets signed off that the freight terminal will be moved I’ve a funny feeling that it will be the existing stadium that’s gets revamped , United have always said they can’t do the south stand with the freight link , it would be far cheaper to throw a new south stand up , which anyway would increase the capacity to circa 90-100 thousand. United get a commitment to land sale , then they have no real need to build a new stadium do they?
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I wondered that. How much would it cost to upgrade the current dump and throw a tent over it? 4-500 million? That they could possibly afford without bankrupting themselves.
 
flb said:
It will need Russian type cyanide , or that woman out of James Bond with the poison knife shoe trying to kick his shins. Maybe an exploding cake at the stadium unveiling ?
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TinFoilHat said:

Where's the laughing gif?
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:)

"A Downing Street spokesman on Tuesday responded to say: “It’s only been announced today, so we are unsure as to the amount (of available Government cash) yet. I’m not aware of any government support that has been committed to the project.” Asked whether taxpayers’ cash would be used, the reply was simple: “Not going to get ahead of discussions that haven’t happened".”

So much for rubber-stamped.
 
WNRH said:
I’d love to take the piss but it’s actually quite sad for football just how awful the whole thing is.

Just like Spurs new stadium that everyone raves about, it’s not a football stadium, it’s a multi events stadium this time with identikit shit bars and food places selling overpriced shite surrounding it catering for thousands who will visit once.

Just like Wembley, just like the outside of our new North Stand will be. Just like America.

At least our gaff still resembles a football ground.

I’m conflicted every time I walk up to SS3 lamenting how shit and basic the interior is and how cramped the concourse is but at least it feels like going to a traditional football match.

I feel for my cousin, a match going red who’s a good guy, walking down their Wembley way, surrounded by bars selling £9.50 pints of Brooklyn Lager in a plastic pot and £16.50 meal deals of a hot dog and chips, using an app that has all your details on to enter the bowl before taking a 6 minute ride on the escalators to the 5th level and row AAA to watch ants play football surrounded by people who spend the majority of the game filming for their content.
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Non league is the answer.
(I know)
 
Bluesince1979 said:
The neville/grim jim interview is cringe as fook.
Fair do’s to neville for having a go but its almost like grim has no clue whats going on really.
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I thought Neville came across very well and professional, whilst showing passion for a cause he is obviously emotional about.

The part that made me laugh was when he mentioned something along the lines of “why can’t the owners who have been milking money from the club. Stuck their hands in their own pocket and pull out a few quid” - erm…. Ok Gary so what’s all the issues about City (who have done everything by the book) and the “oil club” that’s been stuck to our name all about. Everyone knows a wealthy owner can’t just inject cash from their own person wealth into a club to fund lavish expenses FFS, but it’s ok and expected for the Glazers to do this now all of a sudden?
 
WNRH said:
I’d love to take the piss but it’s actually quite sad for football just how awful the whole thing is.

Just like Spurs new stadium that everyone raves about, it’s not a football stadium, it’s a multi events stadium this time with identikit shit bars and food places selling overpriced shite surrounding it catering for thousands who will visit once.

Just like Wembley, just like the outside of our new North Stand will be. Just like America.

At least our gaff still resembles a football ground.

I’m conflicted every time I walk up to SS3 lamenting how shit and basic the interior is and how cramped the concourse is but at least it feels like going to a traditional football match.

I feel for my cousin, a match going red who’s a good guy, walking down their Wembley way, surrounded by bars selling £9.50 pints of Brooklyn Lager in a plastic pot and £16.50 meal deals of a hot dog and chips, using an app that has all your details on to enter the bowl before taking a 6 minute ride on the escalators to the 5th level and row AAA to watch ants play football surrounded by people who spend the majority of the game filming for their content.
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This is what FFP has wrought! The desire to cash in on every asset is required.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
The issue here for me is all about this Government appearing on every media platform pleading poverty and blaming the previous government for a £22bn black hole, taking money off pensioners, increasing employers NI and then pledging to sink money into a high risk project that is quite likely to fail. Yeah and the fact it is United does get to me too.

Is it really a necessary project? There are many other worthy causes that could do with that kind of cash injection.
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Which is why it most likely won't happen, certainly not on the scale that United are claiming. The economic and political situation worldwide has changed in just the last couple of weeks, with new Trump tariffs announced on Canadian steel in the last couple of days this will have affected the cost of steel overnight so all these plans they've been coming up with over the last few months are already financially out of date.

That's why I said there's no point getting angry about something that, at the moment, is just a pipe dream. Particularly when there's no indication of how, when or why the government would get involved.

The biggest problem is when a government, and I mean ANY government, spends money on a project people will always, always, always complain that "there are far more worthy causes" to spend the money on.

At the minute defence spending is looking at being increased but some people would say there are "more worthy causes", such as tackling homelessness.
When the government then announce they may get involved in a regeneration project that will create housing and help bring money and businesses to an area that is struggling, a project that is also linked to a sporting body, then people get upset as "there are more worthy causes" because it's the wrong sporting body involved or the wrong government involved.

The way I look at it is that there's money that will be spent so it may as well be spent in Greater Manchester than in the home counties or London. Any bit of public money that's spent on improving things anywhere other than the south east of the country is a good thing.

Sometimes the benefit of this spending is only seen years down the line, you only have to look at the area around Eastlands to see that. When City got involved in the Commonwealth Games planning and agreed to take over the stadium we were in the third tier so it was a huge risk but over the years we've partnered with the council, and later on the combined authority, and built everything that we have done. This has resulted in a new college, new homes, new facilities and now the area is booming with more housing being built and more businesses springing up that are nothing to do with City, the council or the government and that's nearly 25 years after the whole thing started.

This is how all major building projects get done, businesses partner with the government even if that just means discussing what roads will need to be closed or how to deal with site traffic. If Asda want to extend their car park then the council will see if they can use the work being done to fix up the pavements at the same time, it doesn't mean that government money is being given to Asda, it means the government is taking advantage of an opportunity to get more done with less.

This new stadium stuff is the same except some people don't like the government involved as its not who they voted for and 99% of people don't like the business involved. Also, like my Asda example and Liverpool's new Stanley Park stadium it's also a fictional project that likely won't happen.
 
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rickmcfc said:
I thought Neville came across very well and professional, whilst showing passion for a cause he is obviously emotional about.

The part that made me laugh was when he mentioned something along the lines of “why can’t the owners who have been milking money from the club. Stuck their hands in their own pocket and pull out a few quid” - erm…. Ok Gary so what’s all the issues about City (who have done everything by the book) and the “oil club” that’s been stuck to our name all about. Everyone knows a wealthy owner can’t just inject cash from their own person wealth into a club to fund lavish expenses FFS, but it’s ok and expected for the Glazers to do this now all of a sudden?
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Neville is a **** a double standard one the man ranted on and on about the Glazers yet magically the cunts in there pockets ...........did he not do the voice over on the video ??????
 
flb said:
When it’s gets signed off that the freight terminal will be moved I’ve a funny feeling that it will be the existing stadium that’s gets revamped , United have always said they can’t do the south stand with the freight link , it would be far cheaper to throw a new south stand up , which anyway would increase the capacity to circa 90-100 thousand. United get a commitment to land sale , then they have no real need to build a new stadium do they?
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That's what I think they'll do too. They throw out this terrible design and people say how awful it is and so they then announce they're going to 'upgrade' Old Trafford instead. They'll probably throw out buzzwords like 'historic' and 'heritage' as that will cost them less but allow them to bring on extra revenue from more seats.
 
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