PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
As far as I can tell, it's irrelevant. All the talk around who this Mohammed guy is, that is, not @slbsn 's post, which is interesting.

The fundamentals of the transaction and how it's accounted for don't really change even if the shadowy, mysterious Person X turned out to be Mansour himself .....

Imho.
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I think the Athletic can’t get their head round so many people from the UAE all being called Mohamed.
 
slbsn said:
I agree. Plus just found this below. Clearly, City's enemies do find it critical but without that UEFA report being made public it is hard to be definitive as to why.

Etisalat names Suwaidi as chairman

www.ft.com www.ft.com

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The UAE wouldn't exist without Al Suwaidi. When Sheikh Zayed wanted to unite the states, under one Government (mainly through bribery), Al Suwaidi was the guy they sent around to the other leaders with the money and offers. He was considered to have been a huge part of bringing in the smaller non Abu Dhabi/Dubai tribes.

A lot of the information on the history of the UAE and its setup actually comes from places like the CIA. And they generally consider the familial, loyalty and power structures to be completely impenetrable to anybody who isn't an actual member of the UAE ruling class. Nobody understands who works for who, who is powerful and who is just a name or nepotism hire. Who works at where and in what roles. Not Government intelligence agencies, let alone The Athletic.

Their culture is a polygamous society where family honor and duty is considered paramount. As I mentioned at the time, Sheikh Mansour is UAE Vice President as a punishment to the Dubai ruling family for embarrassing the country by needing a financial bailout. Sheikh Mansour has 21 siblings by Western definitions. He has 6 by UAE definitions. Though if any of the remaining 15 were to embarass themselves then it would be the fault of the UAE President (the head of the 6) who doesn't consider them family in the way we do and would be a major scandal. They're more akin to how we would view distant cousins.

The relationship between the current head of the Al Suwaidis and the current head of the Al Nahyan families (MBZ) is a much more "influential" one on the UAE Presidency than one of MBZ's brothers (in the 15) on MBZ. That doesn't make sense to Western ideas, how can some guy your Dad knew have more influence over you than your own brother?

These stories don't mean anything because there's about 4 families in Abu Dhabi (well, 1 and 2 quarters I guess) who own anything and they're all inter married. This how we get shit like this and the "Man City paid Michael Oliver" nonsense. It's impossible to do any sort of business in the entire UAE without being able to link it to anybody else in the UAE.
 
BBC Football feed says Pep's Press conference is at 12.30 today.

I mention here because there's a small possibility he might be asked about the 115 verdict.
 
cheekybids said:
I think the Athletic can’t get their head round so many people from the UAE all being called Mohamed.
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I'm not joking or being facetious here, but the problem that UEFA, the PL and the press have essentially boil down to this. They dont know who is who and put Western values onto a non Western culture that doesn't adhere to them
 
halfcenturyup said:
Six years from the date of "disclosure" in the case of fraud or concealment, I think. So from 2018. The allegations were referred in 2023, so not time limited if fraud or concealment is involved.

Unless I am wrong, of course ....
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Obviously we don't know what the EPL have as evidence If they have any at all but presuming the Epl have only got the same info as CAS, wouldn't the disclosure start when Uefa first accused us of fraud or am I missing something
 
It’s gone on too long now. When the decision is finally announced I think we should all just ignore it and go on like none of this ever happened.
 
Damocles said:
The UAE wouldn't exist without Al Suwaidi. When Sheikh Zayed wanted to unite the states, under one Government (mainly through bribery), Al Suwaidi was the guy they sent around to the other leaders with the money and offers. He was considered to have been a huge part of bringing in the smaller non Abu Dhabi/Dubai tribes.

A lot of the information on the history of the UAE and its setup actually comes from places like the CIA. And they generally consider the familial, loyalty and power structures to be completely impenetrable to anybody who isn't an actual member of the UAE ruling class. Nobody understands who works for who, who is powerful and who is just a name or nepotism hire. Who works at where and in what roles. Not Government intelligence agencies, let alone The Athletic.

Their culture is a polygamous society where family honor and duty is considered paramount. As I mentioned at the time, Sheikh Mansour is UAE Vice President as a punishment to the Dubai ruling family for embarrassing the country by needing a financial bailout. Sheikh Mansour has 21 siblings by Western definitions. He has 6 by UAE definitions. Though if any of the remaining 15 were to embarass themselves then it would be the fault of the UAE President (the head of the 7) who doesn't consider them family in the way we do and would be a major scandal. They're more akin to how we would view distant cousins.

The relationship between the current head of the Al Suwaidis and the current head of the Al Nahyan families (MBZ) is a much more "influential" one on the UAE Presidency than one of MBZ's brothers (in the 15) on MBZ. That doesn't make sense to Western ideas, how can some guy your Dad knew have more influence over you than your own brother?

These stories don't mean anything because there's about 4 families in Abu Dhabi (well, 1 and 2 quarters I guess) who own anything and they're all inter married. This how we get shit like this and the "Man City paid Michael Oliver" nonsense. It's impossible to do any sort of business in the entire UAE without being able to link it to anybody else in the UAE.
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Thank you, very informative
 
It's got to the point I'm mentally exhausted and done with it all. At the end of the day who really gives a fuck? We know and see it all for exactly what it is. Other fans will always see it their way regardless of the outcome and those of the red shite cartel will always scream the loudest. In their tiny minds that somehow gives them some crumbs of comfort that they weren't beaten to trophies on the field by one of the best teams and managers in living memory, but by some minor cooking of figures behind the scenes ( Providing we are found guilty of course ) Deep down they know that's bollocks but it makes them feel better.

If the worst case scenario happens and we're found guilty, relegated etcetera so what? Life will go on, people will still die, bills will still have to be paid and the world will keep on turning. City will lick their wounds, regroup and carry on. We'll still go to the games like we always did, or not.

What I'm really saying and feeling is summed up perfectly in this song.

 
foggy1974 said:
Obviously we don't know what the EPL have as evidence If they have any at all but presuming the Epl have only got the same info as CAS, wouldn't the disclosure start when Uefa first accused us of fraud or am I missing something
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From the date of the der Spiegel articles, I think.
 
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