Assuming that's correct, it wouldn't prevent the person who actually won the election/is eligible to serve from taking power. You're not president until you're thrown out, you're president until your term ends.
Thing is, if me and you are wrong about this direction of travel then it’s no biggie. It’s actually a good thing if we’re wrong. But the consequences if we’re right are utterly world changing and catastrophic.Who enforces the order?
Who decides if Trump's self pardon trumps (sorry!) a court order?
All of this assumes that the people holding power respect the rule of law.
They don't.
Don't like criticism Vic? Now there's a shock.Bombing another thread I see.
The courts, and if it really comes to the point where he tries to orchestrate a coup, the military with the populace behind them. The idea that the necessary number of people will throw down everything to support Trump remaining in office is speculation at best.Allowed, you say. Who's actually going to say, "Mr President, you are not allowed to do that"? That's definitely working so far.
The courts, and if it really comes to the point where he tries to orchestrate a coup, the military with the populace behind them.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this endlessly. But again, if overthrowing the American government was an easy as you say, he would not have left office in 2020. And he would not be waiting to impose martial law and autocratic rule in 2028. He has a compliant congress and allies in control of the military now.The courts have no power beyond words. And Trump will continue to appoint more hyper partisan poorly qualified judges.
Trump has already purged the military leadership, almost without comment.
Let's hope Nature knows how to calibrate her sights more accurately than the last guyIn any case I think Nature will have its way with him before another four years are done.
The US will drop Taiwan like a hot brick if push came to shove so there’s little prospect of US conflict with China. Trump will probably congratulate Xi and call him a genius. It’s Russia that is Europe’s concern.If Europe is ready then NATO disintegrating will ultimately be a blessing so we don’t get dragged into some conflict with China.
Did you not notice him trying not to leave office in 2020? Did you sleep through it?I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this endlessly. But again, if overthrowing the American government was an easy as you say, he would not have left office in 2020. And he would not be waiting to impose martial law and autocratic rule in 2028. He has a compliant congress and allies in control of the military now.
Obama says HiI think 25 years is being generous. They are 50 years behind the times. No black American will ever be voted president. Unless you are straight, christian and white (orange will do) you haven't got a hope.
I knew someone would mention Obama. He wasn't black. It may be, to you, splitting hairs but I stand by what I said.Obama says Hi
Michelle would...If trump were to run again would Obama beat him
If Obama is not black, where does his heritage come from?I knew someone would mention Obama. He wasn't black. It may be, to you, splitting hairs but I stand by what I said.
America will not see a black president in the next 20 years.
Barack Obama says HiI think 25 years is being generous. They are 50 years behind the times. No black American will ever be voted president. Unless you are straight, christian and white (orange will do) you haven't got a hope.
I must need a new tellyI knew someone would mention Obama. He wasn't black. It may be, to you, splitting hairs but I stand by what I said.
America will not see a black president in the next 20 years.
He's already ignoring courts. He's breaking the law. He has immunity.The courts, and if it really comes to the point where he tries to orchestrate a coup, the military with the populace behind them. The idea that the necessary number of people will throw down everything to support Trump remaining in office is speculation at best.
He's already tried to seize power and didn't get much traction beyond starting a riot. It's possible he'll try it again and be more successful, but it's far more likely he's worm food or uninterested by then. What is he waiting for, for one thing.
I noticed him trying and failing to stay in office, as I said. You say it will work next time, that the military will be compliant and martial law will be introduced at some nonspecific point in the future, etc. Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it.Did you not notice him trying not to leave office in 2020? Did you sleep through it?
His acolytes will be a lot more organised in 2028 and will have all bases covered especially the ones that prevented his attempted coup in 2020.
The other thing you don’t appear to have noticed is that in the two months he’s been in office he’s issued numerous EOs to implement autocratic rule in stages. Once he has a fully compliant military there’s little doubt he’ll introduce Martial law if he deems it necessary to retain power.
Well I wouldn’t bet against it and just assuming it can’t happen is just complacency.I noticed him trying and failing to stay in office, as I said. You say it will work next time, that the military will be compliant and martial law will be introduced at some nonspecific point in the future, etc. Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I can’t get my head round how complacent so many people are about this. Maybe the guardrails will hold, maybe they won’t, but there’s going to be an attempted takeover at some point, and any sane person should be on full alert that it could conceivably succeed. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise, even though I’d say it’s less than likely.Well I wouldn’t bet against it and just assuming it can’t happen is just complacency.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it’s clear that it’s what he will try to do irrespective of the supposed safeguards that should be in place but which are systematically being rendered largely toothless by a compliant congress and judiciary. It’s far from certain the military will step in when he’s replaced all the top brass with loyalists.