PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I think you'll find that the Premier League have failed FFP.

And the fat bellend Masters has failed the fit and proper test. He passed the fat and pompous test with flying colours I might add.

Fancy that eh, the Premier League preaching to all (well us really) and haven't got enough revenues coming in to cover the legal costs.

I hope the fat prick running the show causes the league to collapse and you know what, I wouldn't give two fucks.
 
happy said:
I'm not confident enough of my point to argue with you, but I always thought that they were called alleys because the game tended to be played in alleys?

Not that it mattered one jot to me what they were called, my dad worked at Metro's and used to fetch home solid steel ball bearings, I could smash opponents to bits.
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mad4city said:
They'd all be/have been dobbers in my part of the world (Limerick). I didn't realise the word was used outside of my hometown intil now, in fact.

Bigger ones are/were called Billy Busters (which can be dated back to a canon that was used to defend the city in1691 during (King Billy's) seige of Limerick).

Also there are (or were, now, I suppose) Chainey Alleys (Possibly a corruption off China and the French allez). They were ceramic spheres. Heaven knows where they came from. No potteries around here.

A firk was a particularly way of playing the dobber by flicking it with your thumb. Was there anything like that word in Manchester?

Somebody's gonna put up the Ron Manager gif under this now and I don't blame them, one bit. :-)
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w'al am waitin' for t'tagine i just made to cool down
'appen i'll have a lickle look (pronounced luke)


righty-oh...

(i've underlined the allies derivation)...

"Marbles is an ancient game found throughout the world. There is a commonality in the way it is played which transcends cultural differences.

What are marbles made from?

Marbles today are typically made of glass but in the past were made of many different materials. The earliest recorded marbles were made from stone and clay; the introduction of glass allowed colour to be added. Egyptian marbles, made over 2000 years ago of real marble and of glass, can be found in the British Museum.

In the late 19th-early 20th century, marbles made of agate were the most expensive and highly prized. Marbles made of alabaster were also very valuable. The term 'allies' for marbles came from the 'alabaster'. Alan Marshall in his 1955 memoir I Can Jump Puddles remembered that 'reallies' (real alabaster marbles) were worth one shilling.

Playthings recovered from the Little Lonsdale archaeological site in Melbourne, dated around 1880, include porcelain, glass and clay marbles. Clay marbles - known as commonies - were the cheapest. John Clarke recalls glass marbles that were 'much coveted, which my parents roared with laughter at because they used to be found in the tops of lemonade bottles'. These lemonade bottle marbles, which held the pressure of the carbonated contents, were typically plain and rough to touch. Marbles made for blind baking of pies could also be used for play."


nethen,
i also found some terminology...

  • "Knuckle down": the position adopted at the start line at the beginning of a match. The player begins with their knuckle against the ground.
  • "Quitsies": allows any opponent to stop the game without consequence. Players can either have "quitsies" (able to quit) or "no quitsies".
  • "Keepsies" (or "for keeps"): the player keeps all the marbles they win.
  • "Elephant stompies": when called, it allows a player to stomp their marble level with the ground surface, making it very difficult for other players to hit.
  • "Bombies": when called, it allows a player to take one or two steps while holding their marble and, while closing one eye, to line up over one of the opponent's marbles and drop the marble trying to hit the marble on the ground.
  • "Leaning tops": when called, a shooter leans in on their off hand for leverage over an indentation on any type of surface or obstacle.
  • A "taw" or "shooter" is generally a larger marble used to shoot with, and "ducks" are marbles to be shot at.
  • Various names refer to the marble's size. Any marble larger than the majority may be termed a boulder, bonker, cosher, goen, masher, plumper, popper, shooter, thumper, smasher, goom, noogie, taw, bumbo, crock, bumboozer, bowler, tonk, tronk, godfather, tom bowler, fourer, giant, dobber, dobbert, hogger, biggie, jumbo or toebreaker. A marble smaller than the majority is a peawee, peewee or mini. A "grandfather" is the largest marble, the size of a billiards ball or tennis ball."

and some types of marble...
  • Aggie – made of agate (aggie is short for agate) or glass resembling agate, with various patterns like in the alley
  • Alley or real – made of marble or alabaster (alley is short for alabaster), streaked with wavy or other patterns with exotic names like corkscrew, spiral, snake, ribbon, onyx, swirl, bumblebee, and butterfly
    • Ade – strands of opaque white and color, making lemon-ade, lime-ade, orange-ade, etc.
    • Cat's eye or catseye – central eye-shaped colored inserts or cores (injected inside the marble)
  • Red devils – same color scheme as a devil's eye but swirly
    • Clambroth – equally spaced opaque lines on a milk-white opaque base. Rare clams can have blue or black base glass. Medium-high value for antique marbles; rare base color valued much higher.
    • Lutz – antique, handmade German swirl, containing bands of fine copper flakes that glitter like gold. Erroneously thought to have been invented by noted glassmaker Nicholas Lutz. Medium-high value for antique marbles, depending on specific sub-type of Lutz design.
    • Oilie or oily – opaque with a rainbow, iridescent finish
    • Onionskin – antique, handmade German swirl, with many closely packed surface streaks. Medium price range for antique marbles.
    • Opaque – a popular marble that comes in many colors
    • Oxblood – a streaky patch resembling blood
    • Pearls – opaque with single color with mother of pearl finish
    • Toothpaste – also known as plainsies in Canada. Wavy streaks usually with red, blue, black, white, orange.
    • Turtle – wavy streaks containing green and yellow
  • Bumblebee – modern, machine-made marble; mostly yellow with two black strips on each side
  • China – glazed porcelain, with various patterns similar to an alley marble. Geometric patterns have low value; flowers or other identifiable objects can command high prices.
    • Plaster – a form of china that is unglazed
  • Commie or common – made of clay; natural color or monochrome coloration. Made in huge quantities during nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
    • Bennington – clay fired in a kiln with salt glaze—usually brown, often blue. Other colorations fairly scarce. Fairly low value.
    • Crock – made from crockery (earthenware) clay
  • Croton alley or jasper – glazed and unglazed china marbled with blue
  • Crystal or clearie or purie – any clear colored glass – including "opals," "glimmers," "bloods," "rubies," etc. These can have any number of descriptive names such as "deep blue sea", "blue moon", "green ghost", "brass bottle", "bloody Mary".
    • Princess – a tinted crystal
    • Galaxy – modern, machine-made marble; lots of dots inserted to look like a sky of stars
  • Indian – antique, handmade German marble; dark and opaque, usually black, with overlaid groups of color bands; usually white, and one or more other colors. Can also have many colors like blue, green and scarlet. Medium price range for antique marbles.
  • Mica – antique, handmade German marble; glassy to translucent with streaks or patches of mica, ranging from clear to misty. Value depends on glass color.
  • Steely – made of steel; a steely was traditionally made from a flat piece of steel folded into a sphere and showed a cross where the corners all come together, but other versions of a steely are solid steel ball bearings.
  • Sulphide – antique, handmade German marble; large (3 to 8 cm [1.25 to 3 in] or more) clear glass sphere with a small statuette or figure inside. Most common are domesticated animals such as dogs, cats, cows, etc.; then wild animals; human figures are scarce; inanimate objects such as a train or pocket watch are very rare and command high prices. The interior figures are made of white clay or kaolin, and appear a silvery color due to light refraction. A sulphide with a colored-glass sphere, or with a painted figure inside, is also very rare and brings a high price. Like other types of antique marbles, sulphides have been reproduced and faked in large quantities.
  • Swirly – a common marble made out of glass with one swirly color
  • Shooter – any marble but in a bigger size
  • Tiger – clear with orange-yellow stripes
  • Baby – white with colors visible on the outside
  • Tom bowler – large glass marble at least twice as big as a normal marble
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The actual topic has run out of steam with less than 500 posts and 50 pages to go to reach the rarified air of the 100,000/10,000 mark!

Come on!!!

After marbles, maybe a discussion of conkers will get us there???
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some cheats used to put their conkers in the oven.
others used to soak them in vinegar.

the best part of it all for me was the initial going out "conkering",
armed with a big stick to throw up into the trees.
 
calumdown said:
w'al am waitin' for t'tagine i just made to cool down
'appen i'll have a lickle look (pronounced luke)


righty-oh...

(i've underlined the allies derivation)...

"Marbles is an ancient game found throughout the world. There is a commonality in the way it is played which transcends cultural differences.

What are marbles made from?

Marbles today are typically made of glass but in the past were made of many different materials. The earliest recorded marbles were made from stone and clay; the introduction of glass allowed colour to be added. Egyptian marbles, made over 2000 years ago of real marble and of glass, can be found in the British Museum.

In the late 19th-early 20th century, marbles made of agate were the most expensive and highly prized. Marbles made of alabaster were also very valuable. The term 'allies' for marbles came from the 'alabaster'. Alan Marshall in his 1955 memoir I Can Jump Puddles remembered that 'reallies' (real alabaster marbles) were worth one shilling.

Playthings recovered from the Little Lonsdale archaeological site in Melbourne, dated around 1880, include porcelain, glass and clay marbles. Clay marbles - known as commonies - were the cheapest. John Clarke recalls glass marbles that were 'much coveted, which my parents roared with laughter at because they used to be found in the tops of lemonade bottles'. These lemonade bottle marbles, which held the pressure of the carbonated contents, were typically plain and rough to touch. Marbles made for blind baking of pies could also be used for play."


nethen,
i also found some terminology...

  • "Knuckle down": the position adopted at the start line at the beginning of a match. The player begins with their knuckle against the ground.
  • "Quitsies": allows any opponent to stop the game without consequence. Players can either have "quitsies" (able to quit) or "no quitsies".
  • "Keepsies" (or "for keeps"): the player keeps all the marbles they win.
  • "Elephant stompies": when called, it allows a player to stomp their marble level with the ground surface, making it very difficult for other players to hit.
  • "Bombies": when called, it allows a player to take one or two steps while holding their marble and, while closing one eye, to line up over one of the opponent's marbles and drop the marble trying to hit the marble on the ground.
  • "Leaning tops": when called, a shooter leans in on their off hand for leverage over an indentation on any type of surface or obstacle.
  • A "taw" or "shooter" is generally a larger marble used to shoot with, and "ducks" are marbles to be shot at.
  • Various names refer to the marble's size. Any marble larger than the majority may be termed a boulder, bonker, cosher, goen, masher, plumper, popper, shooter, thumper, smasher, goom, noogie, taw, bumbo, crock, bumboozer, bowler, tonk, tronk, godfather, tom bowler, fourer, giant, dobber, dobbert, hogger, biggie, jumbo or toebreaker. A marble smaller than the majority is a peawee, peewee or mini. A "grandfather" is the largest marble, the size of a billiards ball or tennis ball."

and some types of marble...
  • Aggie – made of agate (aggie is short for agate) or glass resembling agate, with various patterns like in the alley
    • Ade – strands of opaque white and color, making lemon-ade, lime-ade, orange-ade, etc.
    • Cat's eye or catseye – central eye-shaped colored inserts or cores (injected inside the marble)
  • Bumblebee – modern, machine-made marble; mostly yellow with two black strips on each side
    • Plaster – a form of china that is unglazed
  • Croton alley or jasper – glazed and unglazed china marbled with blue
    • Princess – a tinted crystal
    • Galaxy – modern, machine-made marble; lots of dots inserted to look like a sky of stars
  • Indian – antique, handmade German marble; dark and opaque, usually black, with overlaid groups of color bands; usually white, and one or more other colors. Can also have many colors like blue, green and scarlet. Medium price range for antique marbles.
  • Mica – antique, handmade German marble; glassy to translucent with streaks or patches of mica, ranging from clear to misty. Value depends on glass color.
  • Steely – made of steel; a steely was traditionally made from a flat piece of steel folded into a sphere and showed a cross where the corners all come together, but other versions of a steely are solid steel ball bearings.
  • Sulphide – antique, handmade German marble; large (3 to 8 cm [1.25 to 3 in] or more) clear glass sphere with a small statuette or figure inside. Most common are domesticated animals such as dogs, cats, cows, etc.; then wild animals; human figures are scarce; inanimate objects such as a train or pocket watch are very rare and command high prices. The interior figures are made of white clay or kaolin, and appear a silvery color due to light refraction. A sulphide with a colored-glass sphere, or with a painted figure inside, is also very rare and brings a high price. Like other types of antique marbles, sulphides have been reproduced and faked in large quantities.
  • Swirly – a common marble made out of glass with one swirly color
  • Shooter – any marble but in a bigger size
  • Tiger – clear with orange-yellow stripes
  • Baby – white with colors visible on the outside
  • Tom bowler – large glass marble at least twice as big as a normal marble
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Some marbles were made from the teeth of rag fans when I was a nippahhhh!
 
manimanc said:
I think you'll find that the Premier League have failed FFP.

And the fat bellend Masters has failed the fit and proper test. He passed the fat and pompous test with flying colours I might add.

Fancy that eh, the Premier League preaching to all (well us really) and haven't got enough revenues coming in to cover the legal costs.

I hope the fat prick running the show causes the league to collapse and you know what, I wouldn't give two fucks.
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Hey, dont sit on the fence on this one...

Is the FFP test referred here actually the F*cking Fat Persons test?
 
slbsn said:
May be interesting for some https://stefanborson.substack.com/p/explained-the-premier-leagues-huge
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Stefan thanks for pulling us back from the precipice! - once again I've been caught red handed, this time with with the marble diversion.
punished-businessman.jpg

anyway only 443 posts to go!
 
Gazza said:
When I come on this thread and see all the off topic shite posted by the same old crowd (I include myself in this), I think, I bet the serious contributors (Halfcenturyup, slbn, Prestwich Blue, Billy Shears, Damocles..........) have us all on ignore and thus have this thread cut down to about 26 pages.
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You missed me out, but more importantly Chris in London and Petrusha.
 
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