President Trump

flook said:
You've actually answered your own question. I suspect, and obviously I can't prove it, that a significant percentage of the swing vote swung not because of policies but because of prejudice reinforced by those policies. Had Harris been a straight white male then I don't think we'd be looking at the orange shitgibbon gurning out of our tv screens day in day out
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Prejudice is a big one but you can't do anything about prejudice, you have to add trust to this as well. Trust in the mainstream politicians is at an all time low and that's gifting us people who take advantage. There's no metric to suggest that a majority of people trusted Harris on any policy above Trump and that's pretty worrying in terms of candidate selection!

In the past there wasn't really any difference between the Republicans and Democrats so nobody really cared but now that difference is huge. Indeed unfortunately it's shaped by the personality of Trump however it seems people are willing to look past that because why would you not vote for what you want?

To me I think it's quite obvious why he's president. If I did believe in stopping or controlling immigration whether because of prejudice or whatever then I would have only one choice and that was Trump. Many people were willing to look past whatever Trump is because at the end of the day the alternative wasn't going to give them anything.

If any of us only wanted to win the league this year then unfortunately we'd have to suck it up and support Liverpool. You could protest and support Southampton instead but well you aren't going to get much out of it.
 
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Grassland Blue said:
My wife is from China.
We have been married for almost 21 years now.
Chinese society is very ordered and safe to live in. As a result a lot of concerns that I have in the U.K. (about personal safety in particular) are non existent there, leading to far greater peace of mind.
I have stayed with family members on their farms and also in towns and big cities.
The people have been curious about me, about my life and so on, always welcoming and helpful (sometimes overly so tbf.)

I have been advised not to criticise the Chinese government and also to comply with their very stringent rules and laws.
If that is what it takes to ensure a safe environment for all, then that is what I do and always will do.
I would not dream of trying to subvert their system, because it works.

Now then, the vast majority of people in the UK are good, hardworking and caring.
However, there is an element whose sole purpose of their existence appears to be to annoy and irritate others. Even worse, there is an element who actively seek to do us harm, or don't care who gets damaged or killed in their quest for a 'high'.

So multiculturalism.
If people come from other countries and want to live and work here then good luck to them and welcome.
I would say that as long as they adhere to the laws of the land, fair do's.

That is my idea of multiculturalism.
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I respect that, I really do, but an idea of multiculturalism does not make it so.

Multiculturalism is defined as the acceptance of different cultures in a society and the active support of these cultural differences by both the majority and minority group members.

In other words there is no prevailing culture, just a potpourri of cultures, no melting pot, just a collection of distinct cultural identities co-existing with one another.

In other words when you visit China and modify your behaviour in order to accommodate the prevailing culture, every time you do this, you are endorsing the idea that despite China's ethnic and cultural diversity, there is a prevailing culture and that you accept this and modify your behaviour accordingly.

That is the opposite of multiculturalism.

But of course China is a communist one party state, Britain is not. Britain, on the surface at least, embraces multiculturalism yet at the same time wants different cultures to integrate into mainstream British life, but if a country denies the existence of a mainstream British culture what is there to integrate with?

What has this to do with Trump?

Trump is a one trick pony, he's been elected again, despite his obvious shortcomings, because he speaks to a distinct American cultural identity, one that feels threatened and is sufficient in number to propel him to the White House.

That's why, even now, while his poll numbers plummet, on cultural issues his head is still above water.
 
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TonyM said:
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I've actually seen very similar obnoxious 'cars' on the road over here. Jacked-up F-150/250's as commuter vehicles are fairly commonplace on the roads, as are stupidly wide wheelbase Jeeps with wanky off-road tyres that rumble past at ridiculous speeds. You can pretty much gauge political affiliation by the type of car people drive.

I'd say around 40-50% of the car park at work is taken up by RV's and trucks.
 
flook said:
You've actually answered your own question. I suspect, and obviously I can't prove it, that a significant percentage of the swing vote swung not because of policies but because of prejudice reinforced by those policies. Had Harris been a straight white male then I don't think we'd be looking at the orange shitgibbon gurning out of our tv screens day in day out
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You're right, but the prejudices you refer to are usually conflated by "progressives", both here and in the States, under the triple heading of racism, misogyny and ignorance and the "cure" is re-education and legislation, to which the usual response from the Trump faithful is fuck you.
 
idahoblues said:
Whilst I hate Trump and his whole administration, there are so many reasons………..
Is there anyone here that supports the way England has been turned into the society that it is now, do you feel enriched by the influx of different cultures and religions ?
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The religious nutters can fuck off but yes, I feel enriched by seeing people from all over the world on the streets if my town.
Love picking my 7yr old grandkid up from school and seeing her with friends of all races
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're right, but the prejudices you refer to are usually conflated by "progressives", both here and in the States, under the triple heading of racism, misogyny and ignorance and the "cure" is re-education and legislation, to which the usual response from the Trump faithful is fuck you.
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Education is only possible if people are willing to be educated, in my experience, people with strong prejudices rarely fall into that camp. I include myself in that number, there's no way I will ever be re-educated about Shitgibbon :)

Legislation is an interesting one. Whilst it may remove some of the impact of a prejudice, it doesn't remove the prejudice itself.

Education and integration at a very young age is theoretically the best way to remove any prejudice, but it's often impractical, or influenced by outside sources
 
flook said:
Education is only possible if people are willing to be educated, in my experience, people with strong prejudices rarely fall into that camp. I include myself in that number, there's no way I will ever be re-educated about Shitgibbon :)

Legislation is an interesting one. Whilst it may remove some of the impact of a prejudice, it doesn't remove the prejudice itself.

Education and integration at a very young age is theoretically the best way to remove any prejudice, but it's often impractical, or influenced by outside sources
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I agree.

But and it's a big but.

Even if one were able to both educate the young and keep them free of "malign" influences, if you were to attempt to cobble together a "suitable" curriculum by asking even the small number of folk in here to chip in ideas, I guarantee you that in a very short time World War 3 would break out.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
I agree.

But and it's a big but.

Even if one were to be able to educate the young and keep them free of "malign" influences, if you were to attempt to cobble together a "suitable" curriculum by asking even the small number of folk in here to chip in ideas, I guarantee you that in a very short time World War 3 would break out.
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That's because you'd be asking people who are already prejudiced to some degree. I did say it was impractical :)

It's actually theoretically very simple. Just be fucking nice to other people.
 
I think the main “problem” with immigration is that early immigrants were not only absorbed into the community, but they wanted to be both absorbed and assimilate.

Today, it seems like some immigrants take great pride in NOT assimilating and trying to force change towards their desires, their culture, their religious beliefs, and thus create a very different culture for everyone.

When I travel, I live by the credo “When in Rome…” I try to dress and behave like a local. I’m painfully aware of the ugly American stereotype and will actively avoid crew members on layovers who present as such, and will remind them, when necessary, to keep it down, you’re not in your living room at home now!

If I moved to XYZ, I would do so because XYZ was attractive to me, be it job opportunities, culture, geography…and the last thing I would want to do is drag my old life along in an attempt to change people in my new life…with the exception of Hob Nobs, Lion’s Wine Gums, and a good meat pie, of course!

I think immigrants who emigrate with the intention of NOT CHANGING and attempting to assimilate do their new host country a disservice, can alienate themselves in the eyes of locals, and can lead to prejudice where none previously existed.

I travel to visit other cultures, see new things, experience new foods, etc… I don’t pack America (or England) in my suitcase and bring it out when I travel, so that the citizens of my host country can treat me like I like to be treated at home. Isn’t that the point of traveling, or moving overseas? New and different experiences?

When I went to the Taj Mahal, some in my group wore shorts and some of the women didn’t wear modest clothing or bring a scarf to cover up. They were simply not allowed into certain buildings and were ogled unnecessarily for their lack of propriety.

Now, it was a hot day, but if you don’t take even a second to understand the cultural significance of the place you’re visiting, then expect to be treated as such…whether a tourist or an immigrant!

When in Rome works for me.
 
idahoblues said:
Whilst I hate Trump and his whole administration, there are so many reasons………..
Is there anyone here that supports the way England has been turned into the society that it is now, do you feel enriched by the influx of different cultures and religions ?
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I think more has to be done to make people aware of how significant the impact of immigration has been on the economy, science, medicine, culture.

People tend to focus on the worst aspects of immigration but the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
 
moomba said:
I think more has to be done to make people aware of how significant the impact of immigration has been on the economy, science, medicine, culture.

People tend to focus on the worst aspects of immigration but the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
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Scourge of modern society. Dissenting voices carry further than those who are satisfied.
 
Each day the utter lack of class in the White House is more starkly evident.

Machine-gun mouth Leavitt - even whilst claiming that around 70 countries have willingly called to discuss deals (which anybody else would take as a sign of goodwill) cannot help but reel off a torrade of offensive phrases, including (cannot remember exactly) the terms 'falling over themselves', 'cheating', 'unfair', 'they respect the SHEER POWER of the American market' etc.

What a funny way to prepare for a session of important negotiations.

The world's intellectual heavyweights must really hate having to deal with these glorified barrow-boys
 
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