School teachers and corporal punishments

[halfmist]

The guy who played Mr Gryce was an actual headteacher. Not sure if he was acting or just being himself.

Other than Casper the lead actor, the others were pupils from that school who volunteered to be wacked. They were actually caned twice. The producer wasn’t happy with the first take so they were paid an extra 50 peach to be caned again. If the frames are frozen you can see the original stroke marks on their hands. Genuine tears from the young lad.

 

[the blue panther]

Thanks to all who contributed to this fascinating thread. Brings back horrible memories of my 1960s/70s catholic education, where physical abuse was the norm for an outspoken little twat like me who was too smart for his own good. I pushed at too many boundaries - especially in my teens - and I got strapped and caned - painfully - many a time, but it was seen as normal, and accepted.
When I had kids of my own, I disciplined them with a smack without even a second thought. Now, I see them bringing their kids up without any apparent discipline and wonder, how the fuck...!
I won't get started on my tales as I'd be here all night, but I think that what we went through 50 odd years ago must have been character building for some, but very destructive for some unlucky others.

 

[NPBlue]

Oh yes, there were lots of strange and cruel weirdos in the teaching profession in the 60's and early 70's when I was being educated.

There were some seriously mixed up people teaching in those days. There were plenty of nutters that wouldn't think twice twice about twatting you around the head or painfully poking you repeatedly for no reason whatsoever other than the gratification they enjoyed from their bullying, or insulting you in a crushing way that really hit home as a young teenager.

Some of them were decent though, and I enjoyed many a weekend away with my friends at a youth hostel, and those same teachers that gave us those weekends away also took us to places like Spain and Italy for a weeks holiday and treated us well when we were in school, but they were very much in the minority.

Most teachers were, it's probably fair to say looking back, totally indifferent and couldn't give a stuff about us one way or the other, some of them would actively be physically and mentally aggressive, and the few remaining out of that odd mix were the only ones that seemed to enjoy being in the company of us youngsters at the time and talked to us on an level that was a refreshing change from the norm.

I remember with a sense of fondness those few teachers that treated us well, and I have been lucky enough to meet two of them over the years since I left school. They were just as pleasant as I remembered them, and we had a very enjoyable chat. The rest of them can rot in their graves, and yes, that definately includes you, Mr Carrol, you utterly sadistic twat.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

When I went to secondary school we had the slipper and cane up until 3rd year and then it wasn’t permitted. You could see the kids behaviour decline as a result and the newer kids being more challenging to teachers as there was no deterrent.

I wonder how much of that is down to teachers who've spent their whole careers using corporal punishment not having any other methods to deal with behaviour. Honestly, after school detention or writing out lines, for a teenager, is probably worse than a quick smack off the teacher. My Egyptian friend was telling me that when she was in school, if a boy forgot part of his school uniform, they'd give him a big pink sash to wear for the rest of the day. Nothing like a bit of public humiliation, I suppose. The difficulty with any punishment is that it can work in the short term, but in the long term, it can turn the kids off education altogether. I know loads of people in my dad's generation who are clearly intelligent but didn't do well in school. But let's be honest, a lot of corporal punishment on this thread was not well thought through or carefully considered, it's just some dickhead losing his temper and lashing out at someone they have complete power over. It's really no different to a husband hitting his wife, which let's be honest, they probably also did.

Corporal punishment wasn't allowed when I was in school, and even then, there were still huge differences between how well teachers could control a class. In year 9, I remember getting the highest score in the school on the geography exam, so I took it for GCSE. We were given a shite teacher who had no control over the class at all. The classes were constantly disrupted and in the end I left school with a C. I reckon if I'd took history instead, I would have got a higher grade just because the history teacher was so much better at controlling a class.

 

[Crooked_rain]

My primary school teacher used to stick his fingers into your neck very hard. He also pulled off a girls top in class. I hit him with a trundle wheel for pushing me into the corner of a desk, got suspended for 3 days.

He's was serving time in jail for molesting students in the 90s. Got 15 years about 10 years ago , so he's probably out now if he's still alive. He was mid 70s when he finally got banged up. Some students must've come forward quite a while after he did that to them.

Now I wonder if he picked his targets by physical abuse first, making them scared. I'm glad I clipped him with a trundle wheel now. I wasn't even the kind of kid that would do that to a teacher, but I despised him.

To find out later he was the lowest of the low, I wasn't that shocked.

 

[Crooked_rain]

Another weird one, in year 9 we went on a school camp and our PE teacher would shower with all the lads with his cock n balls out. I've never heard any bad stories about him and he seemed super sound but looking back, surely you can't be doing that. He wasn't that old himself, probably just left uni, first teaching job but still

 

[halfmist]

I wonder how much of that is down to teachers who've spent their whole careers using corporal punishment not having any other methods to deal with behaviour. Honestly, after school detention or writing out lines, for a teenager, is probably worse than a quick smack off the teacher. My Egyptian friend was telling me that when she was in school, if a boy forgot part of his school uniform, they'd give him a big pink sash to wear for the rest of the day. Nothing like a bit of public humiliation, I suppose. The difficulty with any punishment is that it can work in the short term, but in the long term, it can turn the kids off education altogether. I know loads of people in my dad's generation who are clearly intelligent but didn't do well in school. But let's be honest, a lot of corporal punishment on this thread was not well thought through or carefully considered, it's just some dickhead losing his temper and lashing out at someone they have complete power over. It's really no different to a husband hitting his wife, which let's be honest, they probably also did.

Corporal punishment wasn't allowed when I was in school, and even then, there were still huge differences between how well teachers could control a class. In year 9, I remember getting the highest score in the school on the geography exam, so I took it for GCSE. We were given a shite teacher who had no control over the class at all. The classes were constantly disrupted and in the end I left school with a C. I reckon if I'd took history instead, I would have got a higher grade just because the history teacher was so much better at controlling a class.

Without trying too much to deviate from the topic in hand , I was in the first year where it was compulsory to stay on until you were 16.
It was a Catholic Secondary Modern and although it must have been near the top in the unrecorded beatings table, many of the Teachers were reluctant to use it on 16 year olds probably out of fear that they may get clouted back.
So what had previously been a cosy 5th year with about 15 pupils in it suddenly became over 100.+
Any special treatment disappeared and because there now about 90 pupils who just didn’t want to be there they just disrupted the classes.
The poor teaching standards with only 2 Teachers in the whole school having a degree, just got worse and those who bothered to take O levels ended up with crap results.
I went on to college and took a further 8 O levels there, all with good results but for the vast majority of pupils it was just 5 wasted years.

 

[Cellarite]

It was largely a thing of the past by the time I got to high school and, reading some of these stories, I'm glad it was. It sounds horrific for some of you.

We had a teacher who had apparently taught Morrissey at Stretford Grammar. There was something in a book about the Smiths that his teacher, Mr Chew, used to do things like making him stick his arse out of the window after he'd farted in the classroom.

Well our Mr Chew had bizarre punishments as well. I yawned once. He sent me to the netball court in the yard that the block we were in was overlooking. He bellowed from the window that I should stand in the centre circle and turn around 10 times whilst taking deep breaths to ensure I didn't need any more excessive air in his classroom.

It was never anything nasty with him and looking back, some of it was hilarious. He never admitted to teaching Morrissey when the subject came up, just said things like "Don't be so stupid children. I don't even know who this boy you refer to is!"

He did rename an excuse for not doing homework after my surname though. That was quite a cool legacy.

 

[pride in battle]

Its a wonder no one at a later stage hasn't reported some of the beatings to the police, if they did thousands of teachers would be fucked!
Sadistic bastards.

 

[Bigga]

Interesting reading these experiences.

I was getting hammered at home, so secondary school punishment didn't seem that bad to me. Worst I remember was having to see the Head and getting a ruler whacked across the back of my fingers. It made me grit my teeth and brought hot flushes out of me.

The first one brought out an "Ow!" and a vigorous shake of my hands, cos I didn't expect the force, but I had a few more to go after that!

Had a really rubbish, monotone, uninspiring English teacher who didn't give a crap and threw chalk dusters at any of us looking like we were bored out of our skulls! Such a contrast to my Primary teacher who used to regale the class with fascinating stories of the War and where the kids were living during it, being separated from parents.

I had a PE teacher that was a bully picking on the weaker kids and I always used to stick up for them. He used to pin me up against the wall by my shirt or rub his knuckles into my chest at my shoulder point. Hurt like a m'fker.

Sadistic cnut found some kind of respect for me as he couldn't break me, being the one to run against me in rugby when we were short in numbers.

Asked me to trial for Salford at 16, but I told him to f off!!

These f'kers shape your future, but they don't think about their actions at the time.

 

[Stephen230]

Its a wonder no one at a later stage hasn't reported some of the beatings to the police, if they did thousands of teachers would be fucked!
Sadistic bastards.

I guess it was the era when the vast majority didn’t even tell their parents, let alone anyone else. Parents in those days would most likely automatically assume you’d been asking for it and quite likely give you another one for your trouble.

Crazy days that this shit was seen as perfectly acceptable behaviour.

Slightly off topic but we even had one PE teacher who had a couple of pre arranged straighteners with pupils.

What sort of fucked up world does a bloke whose job is literally caring for the welfare of children, arrange full blown fists fights with them?

 

[Bigga]

Slightly off topic but we even had one PE teacher who had a couple of pre arranged straighteners with pupils.

What sort of fucked up world does a bloke whose job is literally caring for the welfare of children, arrange full blown fists fights with them?

That happened in my school too.

Makes me wonder which one you went to.

 

[Stephen230]

That happened in my school too.

Makes me wonder which one you went to.

Burnage, mate.

I think as it was an ex Grammar School, a lot of parents from places like Moss Side, Hulme, Wythenshawe etc. sent their kids there because they thought it was a better school than then the local ones.

But it was a pretty standard Comprehensive by then I guess.

 

[kippax123]

Its a wonder no one at a later stage hasn't reported some of the beatings to the police, if they did thousands of teachers would be fucked!
Sadistic bastards.

If I went home and said I'd had the cane my Dad would give me a slap for being in trouble at school. God help us if we went home and said we'd been bullied we we're dragged to their house to fight our corner. Can't think why we all kept our mouths shut

 

[pride in battle]

If I went home and said I'd had the cane my Dad would give me a slap for being in trouble at school. God help us if we went home and said we'd been bullied we we're dragged to their house to fight our corner. Can't think why we all kept our mouths shut

No i mean years later, like the 'me too' movement.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Burnage, mate.

I think as it was an ex Grammar School, a lot of parents from places like Moss Side, Hulme, Wythenshawe etc. sent their kids there because they thought it was a better school than then the local ones.

But it was a pretty standard Comprehensive by then I guess.

A lot of kids from Moss Side, Hulme and Wythenshawe sent their kids there when it was a grammar school if they passed their 11 plus.
Me included.
Mind you, It was a shithole even then.

 

[Bigga]

Burnage, mate.

I think as it was an ex Grammar School, a lot of parents from places like Moss Side, Hulme, Wythenshawe etc. sent their kids there because they thought it was a better school than then the local ones.

But it was a pretty standard Comprehensive by then I guess.

Thought so.

PE teacher was... Mr Lee?

Fighter... Ali? I'm sure he was called that. Cock of one of the years and had grown men coming to fight him at the time?

Pretty sure.

 

[Stephen230]

Thought so.

PE teacher was... Mr Lee?

Fighter... Ali? I'm sure he was called that. Cock of one of the years and had grown men coming to fight him at the time?

Pretty sure.

I’m struggling with names now mate.

The two I think I can remember out of the PE teachers are Griffiths and Barrett. But I’m really not sure if I’ve even got them right.

One of the boys out of my year who fought the teacher might have been Thomas ( Surname) But again, all a bit hazy. There was an incident over the boy coming into school with a tattoo, that the teacher took exception to. And it ended up with him saying something like... If you’re man enough to get a tattoo, you’re man enough to fight me. And the kid accepted the invitation.

 

[Bigga]

I’m struggling with names now mate.

The two I think I can remember out of the PE teachers are Griffiths and Barrett. But I’m really not sure if I’ve even got them right.

One of the boys out of my year who fought the teacher might have been Thomas ( Surname) But again, all a bit hazy. There was an incident over the boy coming into school with a tattoo, that the teacher took exception to. And it ended up with him saying something like... If you’re man enough to get a tattoo, you’re man enough to fight me. And the kid accepted the invitation.

That's interesting. I wonder if it happened more than once? I remember knobhead Griffiths and Barrett. Pretty sure Barrett and Lee were fighting over a dinky but really pretty teacher in the school. She was a real looker!

The tough kid's name was Mamosi Ali, I think, or something similar.

Became a Dr/ surgeon, I believe.

Fought everyone and never backed down. Never part of a gang, either.

 

[Lavinda Past]

I’m struggling with names now mate.

The two I think I can remember out of the PE teachers are Griffiths and Barrett. But I’m really not sure if I’ve even got them right.

One of the boys out of my year who fought the teacher might have been Thomas ( Surname) But again, all a bit hazy. There was an incident over the boy coming into school with a tattoo, that the teacher took exception to. And it ended up with him saying something like... If you’re man enough to get a tattoo, you’re man enough to fight me. And the kid accepted the invitation.

A few years earlier at Burnage Grammar + early days of High, Dave Leatherbarrow would have beaten ten shades of shit out of any kid who was stupid enough to try to take him on.

I never really liked the bloke, but he had my and most lads' respect.