UK supreme court ruling on legal definition of a woman

Palerider said:
Ah Brexit. Proved how reasonable and open minded we all truly are. Having said that does anyone ever think they are wrong?
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I've changed my mind on this issue. What I used to believe I now consider to be wrong. No one really holds beliefs they think are wrong though - you can only see it in hindsight. Then you replace your wrong opinion with what you consider a more valid one
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Please don’t reply. I’m not interested.
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The narcissist in you says differently.

Don’t reply, stick me on ignore and don’t refer to me in the third person and your lack of interest in anything I say will be fulfilled.

You can then get the attention you crave elsewhere.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Is this some sort of Me Too movement?
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If anyone was in any doubt about institutional capture take a look at this and think again.....



Anyone care to give their opinion on why this might be so?
 
blueinsa said:
The narcissist in you says differently.

Don’t reply, stick me on ignore and don’t refer to me in the third person and your lack of interest in anything I say will be fulfilled.

You can then get the attention you crave elsewhere.
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I started to count the posters then realised the poster that said one poster was posting a lot was strangely posting a lot himself, the same guy who says it is pointless to debate or post in here but continually posts in here. The same poster who really doesn't like a different opinion, sees his arse then comebacks again, and again and again.

A better stones glass houses example i have never seen.

It's like Ollie Reed shouting at blokes in the Red Lion for drinking a lot, although Ollie was entertaining.

Politics Forum addiction has another victim folks.
 
hilts said:
I started to count the posters then realised the poster that said one poster was posting a lot was strangely posting a lot himself, the same guy who says it is pointless to debate or post in here but continually posts in here. The same poster who really doesn't like a different opinion, sees his arse then comebacks again, and again and again.

A better stones glass houses example i have never seen.

It's like Ollie Reed shouting at blokes in the Red Lion for drinking a lot, although Ollie was entertaining.

Politics Forum addiction has another victim folks.
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I thought he'd be busy doing the flowers in church for his husband this weekend?
 
I told myself not to post on this thread as emotions are high but it has got me thinking, so here we go..
Personal experience, why I support the decision despite that experience and the nature of Progressive ideology.
A few years I employed a trans woman in a position in a small team of around 30 , roughly 60/40 male / female split, separate male / female toilet facilities with a potential hurdle that around a third of the team were Muslims with a less liberal outlook on these matters.
To cut a long story short , it was not a problem. Yes, I had some informal meetings with some team members to discuss their concerns, yes there was some reservations, but it couldn't really have gone much better. Our new colleague used the female toilet facilities, was very quickly accepted by the female team as one of them, some of the men initially kept their distance but any discomfiture they felt didn't take too long to evaporate. All good, I was positively drunk on my own virtue and it just showed that with a little goodwill what was possible.
My concern with the decision is that it makes outcomes like this less likely. It will provide a point of reference for anyone anti-trans to easily erect barriers where previously they may have been more willing to accept change and that is unfortunate.
Yet I think the decision is correct. Of course, trans should be accepted and treat with the same kindness and consideration as anyone else however their campaign has simply gone too far. Not only too far it has been conducted with a level of vitriol and intolerance they would themselves be quick to describe as fascist. People have lost their jobs and livelihoods, had their careers in public cancelled for having the audacity to have a different view. In many cases not because they were intolerant or unkind but they could not agree with the extremes of the trans campaign, like the never-ending list of genders , pronouns , change of language from mother to birth parent etc and the obscenity of trans women competing in women's sports. Therefore, a sharp correction was needed so I support the decision.
How has it needed the Supreme Court to have to decide this matter ? How could it come to this ? Someone posted something about Harriet Harman earlier in the thread and that prompted me to think about this.
Back when I was a young man in the 80's, Thatcher introduced Section 28, effectively banning schools from teaching that homosexuality was an acceptable way of family life, imagine that .This rightly was repealed by Blair but only 22 years ago in 2003. So since then we have gone from that point , in only 22 years to where we are today. How could that be possible? I believe it is just the nature of Progressive ideology . What starts as a cause with the best of intentions evolves over time into something that that is far from its original aims and very often something that is no longer in the best interests of the populace as a whole. I think this happens due to a collective groupthink based on an ill conceived sense of moral superiority that thrives on a currency of virtue and a dogmatic approach to any progressive totem that precludes the ability to dissent or even tolerate a different position. An example...( None of this is to do with trans - only progressive process)
This is where Harriet Harman comes in . If you are interested google Harman, the Council for Civil liberties and PIE ( Paedophile Information exchange) . Harman , her husband Ex Labour MP Jack Dromey and Ex MP and Minister Patricia Hewitt sat on this organisation in the late Seventies and gave a voice to a group of paedophiles who wanted to lower the age of consent to 10. Daily Mail dragged it up in 2014, only Hewitt apologised. Look at the various articles and look at the language - They talk about what a progressive time it was , not speaking out not because they agreed, but because they didn't want to rock the boat, the feeling of the need to defend every minority . Today it is abhorrent , lunacy . History has not been kind , nor will it be to the extreme end of the trans campaign.
I don't think it is much different today. You can see the same behaviour in the Progressives approach to Trans, Immigration, Welfare , Palestine . Ever onwards, no pause for reflection, no doubt no concern for the viewpoint of the majority.
The tide is turning though.
 
hilts said:
I started to count the posters then realised the poster that said one poster was posting a lot was strangely posting a lot himself, the same guy who says it is pointless to debate or post in here but continually posts in here. The same poster who really doesn't like a different opinion, sees his arse then comebacks again, and again and again.

A better stones glass houses example i have never seen.

It's like Ollie Reed shouting at blokes in the Red Lion for drinking a lot, although Ollie was entertaining.

Politics Forum addiction has another victim folks.
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So many words; so little point.

Standard.
 
Bringing the case is the sad part especially if it creates more intolerance towards a small section of society who struggle with their sexuality and feel they are women and girls trapped in a man’s body.
Most women and men know who they are, as the beaches this summer will prove no sign of shyness or modesty when the sun comes out. I think it was an unnecessary step to clarify the law which has always existed.
 
hilts said:
Back again? :-)

This time is definitely the one where you actually follow through on what you say

It is yes?

You're giving everyone a good laugh though:-)
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You don’t half put words in peoples’ mouths then whack in a few little digs for whatever reason.

You think I spent most of my time in the sub forum, despite you posting about 90% of your posts in here and only delving in football threads to initiate arguments and sly digs at posters in selected threads like the Grealish thread.

I get it’s your MO to just annoy people, hence I don’t tend to interact with you as it’s unpleasant and moot.

Each to their own.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
You don’t half put words in peoples’ mouths then whack in a few little digs for whatever reason.

You think I spent most of my time in the sub forum, despite you posting about 90% of your posts in here and only delving in football threads to initiate arguments and sly digs at posters in selected threads like the Grealish thread.

I get it’s your MO to just annoy people, hence I don’t tend to interact with you as it’s unpleasant and moot.

Each to their own.
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Welcome back again Elvis It's been too long(hours)

:-)
 
Hertzblue said:
I told myself not to post on this thread as emotions are high but it has got me thinking, so here we go..
Personal experience, why I support the decision despite that experience and the nature of Progressive ideology.
A few years I employed a trans woman in a position in a small team of around 30 , roughly 60/40 male / female split, separate male / female toilet facilities with a potential hurdle that around a third of the team were Muslims with a less liberal outlook on these matters.
To cut a long story short , it was not a problem. Yes, I had some informal meetings with some team members to discuss their concerns, yes there was some reservations, but it couldn't really have gone much better. Our new colleague used the female toilet facilities, was very quickly accepted by the female team as one of them, some of the men initially kept their distance but any discomfiture they felt didn't take too long to evaporate. All good, I was positively drunk on my own virtue and it just showed that with a little goodwill what was possible.
My concern with the decision is that it makes outcomes like this less likely. It will provide a point of reference for anyone anti-trans to easily erect barriers where previously they may have been more willing to accept change and that is unfortunate.
Yet I think the decision is correct. Of course, trans should be accepted and treat with the same kindness and consideration as anyone else however their campaign has simply gone too far. Not only too far it has been conducted with a level of vitriol and intolerance they would themselves be quick to describe as fascist. People have lost their jobs and livelihoods, had their careers in public cancelled for having the audacity to have a different view. In many cases not because they were intolerant or unkind but they could not agree with the extremes of the trans campaign, like the never-ending list of genders , pronouns , change of language from mother to birth parent etc and the obscenity of trans women competing in women's sports. Therefore, a sharp correction was needed so I support the decision.
How has it needed the Supreme Court to have to decide this matter ? How could it come to this ? Someone posted something about Harriet Harman earlier in the thread and that prompted me to think about this.
Back when I was a young man in the 80's, Thatcher introduced Section 28, effectively banning schools from teaching that homosexuality was an acceptable way of family life, imagine that .This rightly was repealed by Blair but only 22 years ago in 2003. So since then we have gone from that point , in only 22 years to where we are today. How could that be possible? I believe it is just the nature of Progressive ideology . What starts as a cause with the best of intentions evolves over time into something that that is far from its original aims and very often something that is no longer in the best interests of the populace as a whole. I think this happens due to a collective groupthink based on an ill conceived sense of moral superiority that thrives on a currency of virtue and a dogmatic approach to any progressive totem that precludes the ability to dissent or even tolerate a different position. An example...( None of this is to do with trans - only progressive process)
This is where Harriet Harman comes in . If you are interested google Harman, the Council for Civil liberties and PIE ( Paedophile Information exchange) . Harman , her husband Ex Labour MP Jack Dromey and Ex MP and Minister Patricia Hewitt sat on this organisation in the late Seventies and gave a voice to a group of paedophiles who wanted to lower the age of consent to 10. Daily Mail dragged it up in 2014, only Hewitt apologised. Look at the various articles and look at the language - They talk about what a progressive time it was , not speaking out not because they agreed, but because they didn't want to rock the boat, the feeling of the need to defend every minority . Today it is abhorrent , lunacy . History has not been kind , nor will it be to the extreme end of the trans campaign.
I don't think it is much different today. You can see the same behaviour in the Progressives approach to Trans, Immigration, Welfare , Palestine . Ever onwards, no pause for reflection, no doubt no concern for the viewpoint of the majority.
The tide is turning though.
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Fair well argued (and constructed) post.
It does remind me how Orwell's Animal Farm just keeps repeating itself.
 
"Courage and bravery and critical thinking"...



I don't agree with everything this gay guy says, but then why would I?

Anyone listening to the speeches at the various protest yesterday? This is typical of the analysis....





Notwithstanding the above, Brits are generally empiricists, concerned with what we can see with our own eyes, material reality is big with Brits, and that's been true over the centuries. The great political movements of communism, fascism and so on that swept the continent barely got a toe hold here, so when all this gender identity woowoo washed over from the University of Pleaseyourself, Southern California, a bunch of Scottish women said f**k this and I'm kinda of proud of that.

Anyways, this thread is winding down now, no minds got changed and I lost even more "friends" but no matter, anyways up and never forget folks....

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