Middle East Conflict

bluethrunthru said:
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It's enough to send you mad. Israel is starving the people to death (as well as bombing and shooting at them) and dozens of different Israeli politicians (and media figures) are saying into every microphone they can reach "I want to kill everyone in Gaza", and we still have British* politicians and journalists talking about October 7th and the right to self-defence. It's actually monstrous. If I wasn't convinced that Starmer is too thick and amoral to think about it, I would ask how he sleeps at night. (*And don't get me started on the fucking Germans.)
 
Incitement to genocide (a crime under the Genocide convention, of which Israel is a signatory, believe it or not) is a frequent occurrence on Israeli TV.
 
KPXBLN said:
It's enough to send you mad. Israel is starving the people to death (as well as bombing and shooting at them) and dozens of different Israeli politicians (and media figures) are saying into every microphone they can reach "I want to kill everyone in Gaza", and we still have British* politicians and journalists talking about October 7th and the right to self-defence. It's actually monstrous. If I wasn't convinced that Starmer is too thick and amoral to think about it, I would ask how he sleeps at night. (*And don't get me started on the fucking Germans.)
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I am sure Starmer will face a question or two over Israel and citing this documentary - unless the Labour MP's box clever with who does the asking of the Q's it will be dismissed as "just the sort of thing you'd expect from Dawn Butler or Claudia Webbe"
 
KPXBLN said:
It's enough to send you mad. Israel is starving the people to death (as well as bombing and shooting at them) and dozens of different Israeli politicians (and media figures) are saying into every microphone they can reach "I want to kill everyone in Gaza", and we still have British* politicians and journalists talking about October 7th and the right to self-defence. It's actually monstrous. If I wasn't convinced that Starmer is too thick and amoral to think about it, I would ask how he sleeps at night. (*And don't get me started on the fucking Germans.)
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They won't speak out because weapons are supplied to Israel by the UK government in return for lucrative arms deals.
 
abu13 said:
I dont pretend to have the understanding of the politics behind all this, however I am getting seriously concerned about the huge number of protests taking place in City centres across the country every weekend.

I just feel the whole country is a powder keg at the moment with tens of thousands angry young men just waiting for an opportunity or trigger to start rioting.

I cant see a situation where this fails to escalate.
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In relation to this issue I can.
The Israelis can stop murdering innocent people, women, children, UN workers, Red Crescent workers.
The Israeli government can stop the ethnic cleansing of a land that has been home to thousands of Palestinians for millenia.

If they did that the protests would fade away.
 
abu13 said:
I dont pretend to have the understanding of the politics behind all this, however I am getting seriously concerned about the huge number of protests taking place in City centres across the country every weekend.

I just feel the whole country is a powder keg at the moment with tens of thousands angry young men just waiting for an opportunity or trigger to start rioting.

I cant see a situation where this fails to escalate.
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I've been run off the road twice in the last two weeks by cars with "Free Palestine" badges on the back.
Minding my own business, then undertaken/overtaken and then cut off. Brake checked, then drove off. I had the wife and kids in the car on one of the occasions. (was driving her car that day)
I did wonder if it was deliberate or just godshites. It was the large badge on the back that linked the two incidents.
I was going to post here to ask if i had missed something. I'm not an aggressive driver, so don't normally have this type of thing.
I decided to just brush it off, as it is probably nothing. I just don't understand why i was targeted. There is nothing on my cars like political badges.
(Before anybody wants to calls bullshit, i have dashcam footage of both incidents)

Hot weather is always linked with unrest. "Summer riots" is a thing. I don't see how causing trouble will help with the Palestinian situation. Let's hope for some rain!
 
Don Karleone said:



It's graphic, watch at your own risk. Let's see our MP's or the BBC mention things like this.
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Think I saw it earlier - awful but of course it won't get a mention.

Big question now for me is I know we have a lot of Jewish supporters from the likes of Prestwich which are majority Jewish populated areas in Manchester but we will have them around the world. Some were (rightly) vocal on here after October the 7th and the Hamas attack - some for a period beyond that but there appears to be no engagement at all on this thread and I'd love to know why.

I'd hope they could post and explain why they dropped off or indeed why they have continued possibly anonymously. It would be interesting and I'd hope we could all engage in a reasonable discourse with no abuse
 
bluethrunthru said:
Israel ever the victim

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Dare I suggest that the author of the piece framed it to get past the subeditor by mocking Theroux's style but could still leave in the heart of it?

"A deep streak of cynicism lies under his charade. His interviewees are carefully chosen, to reinforce the BBC narrative that Israelis are the oppressors and Palestinians their victims."

[Yeah, it might be cynical, but face it, finding Israeli oppressors isn't hard....]

"Weiss is a crackpot, who believes Jewish settlers should be rushing into the Gaza Strip to establish tarpaulin homesteads amid the rubble. Aside from all the other arguments, the fact that this would be suicidal, inviting barbarous reprisals by Hamas, doesn't appear to bother her.

"While Louis's camera team was following her car in a military convoy, she veered away and made a break for the Gaza border. Israeli soldiers intercepted her, but when Louis caught up, her eyes were sparkling with manic glee: 'I wanted to show the rabbis that Gaza is not something beyond reach.'

"By contrast, his main Palestinian spokesman was the avowedly non-violent Issa Amro, a long-time activist who advocates peaceful protest and has denounced Hamas terrorism."
 
Both as bad as each other and the slaughter on both sides will continue for years. Easy to start wars very difficult to bring peace.
 
city2 said:
Both as bad as each other and the slaughter on both sides will continue for years. Easy to start wars very difficult to bring peace.
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Part of the reason Israel gets away with taking land, starving and killing Palestinian women and children for decades is because so many believe ‘they’re both as bad as each other’ so turn a blind eye.
 
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