US Tariff War

Blue Maverick said:
They reckon the shelves will be empty in two weeks, Walmart etc have warned Trump already, this is when the shit will hit the fan. Scott Bessent saying China will feel it first, what he doesn’t understand is how they rule that country, unlike the usa they’ll put any descent down rapidly, China will rinse America in this, the ar has only just begun.
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What will China feel first? It looks like they'll just have tariff exemptions for US stuff they need.

 
Had a chat with a republican today, back in Houston after about 6 weeks. He’s not MAGA, but was definitely in the “Trump is what we need” camp 6 weeks ago.

He was definitely ‘rocked’ and wavering today. Hopefully he’s a sign of the greater non MAGA republican populace. Seemed genuinely upset at the feedback from the rest of the world.
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
Had a chat with a republican today, back in Houston after about 6 weeks. He’s not MAGA, but was definitely in the “Trump is what we need” camp 6 weeks ago.

He was definitely ‘rocked’ and wavering today. Hopefully he’s a sign of the greater non MAGA republican populace. Seemed genuinely upset at the feedback from the rest of the world.
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Until people like this look you in the eye and say, "I made a terrible mistake. I will rectify it by voting blue in the next election", I feel absolutely zero encouragement from stories like this.

Put it this way: I will feel hope when Dax comes around. L-O-fuckety-L.
 
bluethrunthru said:
so why the fuck would VW make cars in Arkansas to create US jobs? May as well keep jobs in Wolfsburg and let the US buyer pay the tariff - do these people know how anything works?

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Arkansas? I thought they were making them in Chattanooga?! That’s where the ID.4 is built.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Until people like this look you in the eye and say, "I made a terrible mistake. I will rectify it by voting blue in the next election", I feel absolutely zero encouragement from stories like this.

Put it this way: I will feel hope when Dax comes around. L-O-fuckety-L.
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I doubt many would ever say it (Human nature being what it is)…but maybe enough of them would remedy it when it comes to voting Trump in for his 3rd term…
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
I doubt many would ever say it (Human nature being what it is)…but maybe enough of them would remedy it when it comes to voting Trump in for his 3rd term…
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I doubt it too. Which is why I have so little hope.

The judgment of people who voted for Donald Trump and do not see or cannot admit the mistake they made cannot be trusted in any other endeavo(u)r, personal nor professional, IMO.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Guys an idiot
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He was the mouthpiece of a large bond trading outfit which lost people on 9/11 in WTC. It shows you that you don’t have to be smart to make it to the very top of American business…or you have to suppress any smarts you have to toe the bat-shit crazy line of Trump’s whims!

Either way, sad and embarrassing!
 
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Brightwell’s left peg said:
Had a chat with a republican today, back in Houston after about 6 weeks. He’s not MAGA, but was definitely in the “Trump is what we need” camp 6 weeks ago.

He was definitely ‘rocked’ and wavering today. Hopefully he’s a sign of the greater non MAGA republican populace. Seemed genuinely upset at the feedback from the rest of the world.
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Any one who thought ‘Trump is what we need’ was either in a coma for Trump’s first term or is a complete moron.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I doubt it too. Which is why I have so little hope.

The judgment of people who voted for Donald Trump and do not see or cannot admit the mistake they made cannot be trusted in any other endeavo(u)r, personal nor professional, IMO.
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My hope is that with the election majority being fairly slim, there are just enough people who voted for Trump who have buyers remorse. They might not admit it for loss of face, but they will feel it enough to change their vote.

What seemingly really struck home, was when I pointed out that the US had sided with North Korea and Russia on a UN resolution, all the while alienating strong NATO allies. I don’t think Fox News had advertised that fact.
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
My hope is that with the election majority being fairly slim, there are just enough people who voted for Trump who have buyers remorse. They might not admit it for loss of face, but they will feel it enough to change their vote.

What seemingly really struck home, was when I pointed out that the US had sided with North Korea and Russia on a UN resolution, all the while alienating strong NATO allies. I don’t think Fox News had advertised that fact.
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The MAGA government and courts will be spending the next four years doing their best to disenfranchise as many likely blue voters as they can whilst making it as difficult as possible to vote for those that aren’t disenfranchised. This means there will need to be a bigger swing than you might imagine. And that’s if there is another election because I strongly suspect there will be a huge effort to change the constitution to alter term lengths. They will also try to restrict as much oversight as they can making it easier for them to cheat.

On the other hand Trump is surpassing even the most pessimistic predictions in terms of his complete stupidity and it’s quite likely he’ll put off all but the most indoctrinated (which sadly is still a very big number). Then there will be detailed plans in place to challenge as many negative results as possible like he did in 2020, but this time there’ll be less people to stop the challenges in court or in congress.

Bottom line is that there’s a very good chance that the USA is totally fucked for the long term.
 
BobKowalski said:
Any one who thought ‘Trump is what we need’ was either in a coma for Trump’s first term or is a complete moron.
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Was chatting to a Californian floating voter earlier today. He is dead against what Trump is doing with DOGE and thinks that a lot of people who voted for him are starting to realise that what they're getting isn't what they voted for. He also said the average Trump voter is politically illiterate and likely voted in line with the prejudices that he tapped into during his campaign.
 
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