Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

city2 said:
So your associating football to the murderous acts that have been carried out by both sides of this war, you need to look in the mirror and give yourself a talking to.
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i intended that post for you. It’s a psychology metric.

I gave you two points
1. A metaphor
2. Factual info of 200 Palestinians killed by Israel.

Result:
city2 focused on point 1, and ignored point 2.

Diagnosis:
Selective bias
 
xgorton said:
2 month's now this blockade been going on over 65,000 children suffering,why doesn't someone please do something about it FFS.It's starting to fac k my head up now but what the fuck can i do ?
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Jews and their supporters will stop anything being done.
They wonder why people turn to so called terrorism.
They look to stop all debate (see the Kneecap reaction)
They even turn Blues on Blues.

The Israeli government is a criminal organisation. It wants conflict as a means of legally committing ethnic cleansing.

You ask what you can do.
Be vocal, write to your MP, tell him your vote depends on his reply and action.
 
cucumberman said:
i intended that post for you. It’s a psychology metric.

I gave you two points
1. A metaphor
2. Factual info of 200 Palestinians killed by Israel.

Result:
city2 focused on point 1, and ignored point 2.

Diagnosis:
Selective bias
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Nah, just wumming.
 
Blue Mist said:
Jews and their supporters will stop anything being done.
They wonder why people turn to so called terrorism.
They look to stop all debate (see the Kneecap reaction)
They even turn Blues on Blues.

The Israeli government is a criminal organisation. It wants conflict as a means of legally committing ethnic cleansing.

You ask what you can do.
Be vocal, write to your MP, tell him your vote depends on his reply and action.
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Not all Jews obviously...

Still, though the "antisemitism" definition and examples make a distinction between Jewish people and the particular acts of Israel, the genocidal extremists like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir do seem these days to be emphasising that West Bank settlement is Jewish settlement of "our land", making the distinction harder.

Ben-Gvir's party is "Jewish power".

The head of Shin Bet warns against the "Jewish terror" of the "hilltop youth" (which may or may not be a play on words). https://www.timesofisrael.com/shin-...isters-that-jewish-terror-endangering-israel/

36 Jewish deputies criticise Israel, and the British Board of Deputies suspend them.

In New York: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...er-protest-at-brooklyn-synagogue-video-report
 
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Vic said:
Not all Jews obviously...

Still, though the "antisemitism" definition and examples make a distinction between Jewish people and the particular acts of Israel, the genocidal extremists like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir do seem these days to be emphasising that West Bank settlement is Jewish settlement of "our land", making the distinction harder.

Ben-Gvir's party is "Jewish power".

The head of Shin Bet warns against the "Jewish terror" of the "hilltop youth" (which may or may not be a play on words). https://www.timesofisrael.com/shin-...isters-that-jewish-terror-endangering-israel/

36 Jewish deputies criticise Israel, and the Board of Deputies suspend them.

In New York: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...er-protest-at-brooklyn-synagogue-video-report
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It really is frustrating seeing people conflate these horrific crimes with a whole religion, rather than the governments of the US, Israel and their allies. Gives the perpetrators a nice deflection tactic and eventually leads to actual antisemitism

Completely intentional, I'm sure. Imagine being so callous as to increase hatred against your supposed own people just to further your territorial ambitions
 
Vic said:
Not all Jews obviously...

Still, though the "antisemitism" definition and examples make a distinction between Jewish people and the particular acts of Israel, the genocidal extremists like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir do seem these days to be emphasising that West Bank settlement is Jewish settlement of "our land", making the distinction harder.

Ben-Gvir's party is "Jewish power".

The head of Shin Bet warns against the "Jewish terror" of the "hilltop youth" (which may or may not be a play on words). https://www.timesofisrael.com/shin-...isters-that-jewish-terror-endangering-israel/

36 Jewish deputies criticise Israel, and the British Board of Deputies suspend them.

In New York: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...er-protest-at-brooklyn-synagogue-video-report
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I agree and yes I was wrong to make a broad brush sweep as though all Jews are backing the terrorism used by the Israeli government.
Not all are, a few speak out as you highlight and are rounded on by other Jews. Some perhaps the majority stay silent and they, to me, are as complicit as the ones carrying out the murders and ethnic cleansing.
 
Blue Mist said:
I agree and yes I was wrong to make a broad brush sweep as though all Jews are backing the terrorism used by the Israeli government.
Not all are, a few speak out as you highlight and are rounded on by other Jews. Some perhaps the majority stay silent and they, to me, are as complicit as the ones carrying out the murders and ethnic cleansing.
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a lot of those are outside Israel because of the brutality visited upon them by the authorities if they disagree. Some of the most shocking scenes I have seen is the way the Police and military attach orthodox Jews who protest against having to do National Service - its unreal
 
We're bombing Yemen now because of the israeli genocide

www.theguardian.com

UK launches Yemen airstrikes, joining US campaign against Houthi rebels

RAF jets targeted buildings used to make drones, officials say, in Britain’s first involvement since Trump took office
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

What a fucking disgrace all of this is. And just how low will we go to support and enable the Israeli genocide? Dread to think
 
bluethrunthru said:
Pick which will be tonights statement

1/ all the wildfires were started deliberately by Arab terrorists
2/ wildfires are antisemitic
3/ both of the above
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dammit - I didn't have self inflicted wounds on my bingo card. Things you do when blinded by pure hate and don't consider the consequences said no Israeli ever

 
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Blue Mist said:
I agree and yes I was wrong to make a broad brush sweep as though all Jews are backing the terrorism used by the Israeli government.
Not all are, a few speak out as you highlight and are rounded on by other Jews. Some perhaps the majority stay silent and they, to me, are as complicit as the ones carrying out the murders and ethnic cleansing.
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Which wars are you complicit in for staying silent? Are all Muslims who didn’t speak out about 9/11 or any number of terrorist atrocities complicit in them? Or is it just Jews that are complicit in Israel’s actions if they’re not vocally against a war being waged by people who share their religion or ethnic origin?
 
west didsblue said:
Which wars are you complicit in for staying silent? Are all Muslims who didn’t speak out about 9/11 or any number of terrorist atrocities complicit in them? Or is it just Jews that are complicit in Israel’s actions if they’re not vocally against a war being waged by people who share their religion or ethnic origin?
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Whilst I could give a complicated long winded answer .........
Yes.
If you follow a religion and people of that religion do something in the name of that religion, you either agree with it or disagree with it.
 
Blue Mist said:
Whilst I could give a complicated long winded answer .........
Yes.
If you follow a religion and people of that religion do something in the name of that religion, you either agree with it or disagree with it.
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Surely the problem is that both sides have people (the Israelis a sizeable minority and the Palestinians, probably, a majority) who want to totally eradicate the 'other' side. There is no reasoning with that type of thinking as diplomats have found time after time. For many people, the Palestinian 'side' arguing that the Israelis doing to Palestine what the Palestinians would love to do to Israel is just hypocricy. Do you seriously think Israel would exist if the Palestinians had the Israeli weaponry? For me, anyone who wants the total annihilation of the other side is not innocent but that includes millions of Palestinians as well as millions of Israelis.
 
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