Tim of the Oak
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Nothing wrong with Unions. Rushing out to take credit for a deal struck by a city Matters after months of negotiating is a bit of a pisstake.
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The Anti Supporters Club
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SkyBlueAlex
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This is exactly what needs to be said to the club just more structure and information ahead of timeI can tell you what I'd like to see:
- If we operate a category pricing model (and we clearly do) then publish that in advance showing the games in each category (say 5 in A, 9 in B and 5 in C) and the prices for each category.
- Publish a tariff for cup games as well, certainly the early rounds at least. For example, a CL pot 1 opponent will be category A, etc.
- Review matchday ticket prices and peg those more closely to pro-rata season ticket equivalent prices, so a matchday ticket is never more than 25% higher than the equivalent pro-rata season ticket price.
- On ticket exchange, repay the ticket holder based on the game category, rather than just 1/19th, so a cat A game returns more than a cat C game (subject to total possible refunds being the same as the season ticket price).
- If they want to reduce full season ticket numbers over time, down to say 30,000, then be open about that, but also commit to making 50% of season tickets that aren't renewed available to new applicants (and have a proper waiting list).
- Review Flexi-Gold pricing and make it a genuine alternative to a full season ticket, particularly for people who know they're only going to make 10-12 games per season. Remove the £150 premium and maybe charge people £5 more than the pro-rata season ticket price for a match-day ticket.
- Then you have the choice of:
- A full season ticket if you know you're going to attend at least 15 or 16 games.
- Flexi if you know you're only going to attend half the games.
- Matchday memebership for those who are only ever going to be occasional attendees.
- Commit to never increasing prices more than inflation.
Demanding that the club "review" something means "you don't actually have to do anything about it"This is exactly what needs to be said to the club just more structure and information ahead of time
Of course he doesn’t want locals filling affordable tickets, he has Bulgarians to please
And his mates who buy FV tickets off Facebook then sell them to tourists at 5 times the price
If i may add a counter point.Been saying this for a while now, football clubs don't have football fans best interests at heart at this moment in time and football fans need to fight their clubs not acquiesce to them for small seemingly insignificant concessions.
Support the fans you stand with and not the club you pay until that club starts supporting you.
If MCFC were to play in NL football, my support of them would have to effectively cease as it would become invisable to me as i am not local.
City being in the CL, PL, Cups, WCs, etc means that i get to watch them now more than i ever did as a kid when they were too shit to be on TV.
One thing all these posts and action groups forget is that whilst there are 50K fans inside the ground, there are millions outside of it.
You all fucking bitch and moan about tourists and non local fans who are not ST holders as if they are some sort of footballing Pariahs but the truth is that without non local fans and tourists, City would be utterly irellevent and likely NL because nobody would seriously invest in a club who's support is only local.
The supportes groups are complaigning about the club being self-centred whilst also being self-centered.
Your opening sentance should have probably read:
"Football clubs no longer have LOCAL fans interests at heart".
This would have been a more accurate reflection of the myopathy rampant in this thread (and forum) and be a perfect explaination of why the club behaves the way it does.
This is why i asked the question "what do the supporters want".
Nobody asked "which ones?".
The club is for everyone. Not just those privileged to be able to go every week.
City were in League One not too long ago and hurtling towards bankruptcy and had very few non-local fans and were still more "relevant" than 90% of football clubs in England.You all fucking bitch and moan about tourists and non local fans who are not ST holders as if they are some sort of footballing Pariahs but the truth is that without non local fans and tourists, City would be utterly irellevent and likely NL because nobody would seriously invest in a club who's support is only local.
Oh and you watching City on TV is absolutely not equivalent to spending 25% of your annual income on watching the club and I'm not going to pretend it is to make you feel equal.
Oh and every EFL and NL club has purchasing options where you can buy a CityTV like stream and watch them every week live so another good piece of research there.
Tim of the Oak
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Big Steve has a right to change his viewpointAnd his mates who buy FV tickets off Facebook then sell them to tourists at 5 times the price
Man_City_Loyal
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If i may add a counter point.
If MCFC were to play in NL football, my support of them would have to effectively cease as it would become invisable to me as i am not local.
City being in the CL, PL, Cups, WCs, etc means that i get to watch them now more than i ever did as a kid when they were too shit to be on TV.
One thing all these posts and action groups forget is that whilst there are 50K fans inside the ground, there are millions outside of it.
You all fucking bitch and moan about tourists and non local fans who are not ST holders as if they are some sort of footballing Pariahs but the truth is that without non local fans and tourists, City would be utterly irellevent and likely NL because nobody would seriously invest in a club who's support is only local.
The supportes groups are complaigning about the club being self-centred whilst also being self-centered.
Your opening sentance should have probably read:
"Football clubs no longer have LOCAL fans interests at heart".
This would have been a more accurate reflection of the myopathy rampant in this thread (and forum) and be a perfect explaination of why the club behaves the way it does.
This is why i asked the question "what do the supporters want".
Nobody asked "which ones?".
The club is for everyone. Not just those privileged to be able to go every week.
we would be irellevent?
What a load of shite!
We had fans when we were shit, we had fans winning stuff and we will have fans again when people decide to fuck off.
From your post, I'd be happy to have someone like you not support the club.
If i may add a counter point.
If MCFC were to play in NL football, my support of them would have to effectively cease as it would become invisable to me as i am not local.
City being in the CL, PL, Cups, WCs, etc means that i get to watch them now more than i ever did as a kid when they were too shit to be on TV.
One thing all these posts and action groups forget is that whilst there are 50K fans inside the ground, there are millions outside of it.
You all fucking bitch and moan about tourists and non local fans who are not ST holders as if they are some sort of footballing Pariahs but the truth is that without non local fans and tourists, City would be utterly irellevent and likely NL because nobody would seriously invest in a club who's support is only local.
The supportes groups are complaigning about the club being self-centred whilst also being self-centered.
Your opening sentance should have probably read:
"Football clubs no longer have LOCAL fans interests at heart".
This would have been a more accurate reflection of the myopathy rampant in this thread (and forum) and be a perfect explaination of why the club behaves the way it does.
This is why i asked the question "what do the supporters want".
Nobody asked "which ones?".
The club is for everyone. Not just those privileged to be able to go every week.
Oh and I shouldn't need to point out how utterly stupid this post is in a thread complaining about the lack of activism about ticket prices. Because if WE get ticket prices reduced while you sit bitching from a thousand miles away, then when you come over on one of your trips, it costs YOU less too.
Again,City were in League One not too long ago and hurtling towards bankruptcy and had very few non-local fans and were still more "relevant" than 90% of football clubs in England.
Oh and you watching City on TV is absolutely not equivalent to spending 25% of your annual income on watching the club and I'm not going to pretend it is to make you feel equal.
Oh and every EFL and NL club has purchasing options where you can buy a CityTV like stream and watch them every week live so another good piece of research there.
In your blinkered viewpoint you've utterly missed the point.
You've turned into '92 Utd fans.
City of old disappeared in 2008. I don't want the club to be pre-2008.
It would be dead to me and everyone else outside of a bus ride to the ground.
Eccles Blue
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I am just curious as to why there is a separate person for Official Supporters amidst all the groups represented:
Looking at it the only folk not represented separately are men. ;-) :-)
- Families
- Under 25s
- Season Ticket Members
- LGBTQ+
- Disabled Fans
- Women
- Black, Asian or of Mixed Heritage
- Over 65s
- Seasonal Hospitality
- Official Supporters Club
Looking at it the only folk not represented separately are men. ;-) :-)
I've got to be honest mate, you're not putting it across that we're going to lose anything of value here so far.Again,
In your blinkered viewpoint you've utterly missed the point.
You've turned into '92 Utd fans.
City of old disappeared in 2008. I don't want the club to be pre-2008.
It would be dead to me and everyone else outside of a bus ride to the ground.
I personally don't care what league we're in or success we have and will support them anyway. Maybe that's important to your support but it isn't to mine.
Righto,Oh and I shouldn't need to point out how utterly stupid this post is in a thread complaining about the lack of activism about ticket prices. Because if WE get ticket prices reduced while you sit bitching from a thousand miles away, then when you come over on one of your trips, it costs YOU less too.
I'm not going down the ad hominim route of debating. If that's your bag, jog on. I respect your viewpoint regardless. You should respect others.
I was able to come over because the local fan base wern't arsed about turning up for a match which they thought was a dead rubber, so my friend was able to snag tickets.
Only when the match meant something did the locals decided to turn up. Not that you'd know tbh. The atmosphere on that match was poor as noted here. No this wasn't because the tourists turned up. It was because the core fanbase didn't. Not that i really cared tbh. I was thrilled to be there.
If you were to have your way, I wouldn't have been able to go. The small batch of tickets you would have begrudgingly allowed the club to sell to tourists would have either been way too expensive due to demand, or, been snagged up in a heartbeat the second they went on sale.
It's not all about you.
Righto,
I'm not going down the ad hominim route of debating. If that's your bag, jog on. I respect your viewpoint regardless. You should respect others.
I was able to come over because the local fan base wern't arsed about turning up for a match which they thought was a dead rubber, so my friend was able to snag tickets.
Only when the match meant something did the locals decided to turn up. Not that you'd know tbh. The atmosphere on that match was poor as noted here. No this wasn't because the tourists turned up. It was because the core fanbase didn't. Not that i really cared tbh. I was thrilled to be there.
If you were to have your way, I wouldn't have been able to go. The small batch of tickets you would have begrudgingly allowed the club to sell to tourists would have either been way too expensive due to demand, or, been snagged up in a heartbeat the second they went on sale.
It's not all about you.
You've come onto a thread debating the activism of a group of City fans regarding ticket prices, said that the club would be completely irrelevant without you, that all these guys who go week in and out and are trying to get tickets cheaper are less important than you, and that your experience should be primary in everybody else's minds rather than the literally tens of thousands others then told us that it's not all about us.
Righto.
I've got to be honest mate, you're not putting it across that we're going to lose anything of value here so far.
I personally don't care what league we're in or success we have and will support them anyway. Maybe that's important to your support but it isn't to mine.
I do care tbh.
I want City to be champions of the world. I want then to win everything and beat everyone. Everytime, all the time.
It would seem yours is a viewpoint based on your experience which is all about the matchday experience and my viewpoint is all about the spectacle and sport.
I don't discount yours, why discount mine?
Tim of the Oak
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It might be more a case of the other groups reps thinking the OSC Would secure better deals without them? I don’t know. As you say everyone can fit into at least one of the groups.I am just curious as to why there is a separate person for Official Supporters amidst all the groups represented:
Who of the official supporters doesn't fall into one of those categories? Personally until I resigned from the OSC I was represented by Season ticket, disabled fans, women and over 65s and the OSC. Blimey oh Riley
- Families
- Under 25s
- Season Ticket Members
- LGBTQ+
- Disabled Fans
- Women
- Black, Asian or of Mixed Heritage
- Over 65s
- Seasonal Hospitality
- Official Supporters Club
Looking at it the only folk not represented separately are men. ;-) :-)
Cutting through 24 pages, the main purpose of the OSC is to help the Club to expand the fanbase. There just seems to be a lot of confusion on here.
I guess Bluemoon would get closed down if it had a threat anti several of the groups listed.
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I am just curious as to why there is a separate person for Official Supporters amidst all the groups represented:
Who of the official supporters doesn't fall into one of those categories? Personally until I resigned from the OSC I was represented by Season ticket, disabled fans, women and over 65s and the OSC. Blimey oh Riley
- Families
- Under 25s
- Season Ticket Members
- LGBTQ+
- Disabled Fans
- Women
- Black, Asian or of Mixed Heritage
- Over 65s
- Seasonal Hospitality
- Official Supporters Club
Looking at it the only folk not represented separately are men. ;-) :-)
Tickets, tickets and tickets
Because yours is ultimately worthless long term.I do care tbh.
I want City to be champions of the world. I want then to win everything and beat everyone. Everytime, all the time.
It would seem yours is a viewpoint based on your experience which is all about the matchday experience and my viewpoint is all about the spectacle and sport.
I don't discount yours, why discount mine?
Success in football is cyclical. City are going to fall away again in the future, they're not going to be winning things for long stretches. They might even be relegated again in the medium term. If your support is predicted upon these things then it's a short term view and clubs shouldn't make policies based on short term views who aren't going to be here if things turn sour.
This isn't a TV show for me. It's my community and my heritage. I don't support City because they have nice kits, I do it as a family tradition that's into its fourth generation now. I don't have to think about just myself or Pep Guardiola's team. I have to think about the fifth, sixth and seventh generations ahead and how decisions now will effect them.
Eccles Blue
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Alluding to the highlighted paragraph..... never a truer word spoken. I am totally confused by a lot of the rhetoric. Peace in the world is all I want!! ;-)It might be more a case of the other groups reps thinking the OSC Would secure better deals without them? I don’t know. As you say everyone can fit into at least one of the groups.
Cutting through 24 pages, the main purpose of the OSC is to help the Club to expand the fanbase. There just seems to be a lot of confusion on here.
I guess Bluemoon would get closed down if it had a threat anti several of the groups listed.
If that's true, then the OSC should absolutely considered a compromised entity in these protests. They work for the club's interests, not the fan's interests. Which was what I was saying in that Yes Minister thing before.Cutting through 24 pages, the main purpose of the OSC is to help the Club to expand the fanbase. There just seems to be a lot of confusion on here.