Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

[bluethrunthru]

just to point out the people of Nottinghamshire give them SOME money - Central Govt give them @£1.5bn

Oh and to go all Andrea Jenkyn on him he is saying this in an Irish accent ........ she thinks that should mean something negative

 

[tweety]

How? Go on explain the mechanism by which you return people to another country. Simple question I assume I am missing a simple answer

The French are actively encouraging these so called asylum seekers to head to the UK. Pick them up mid channel and deposit them back in France for starters.
Every one of them has broken the law by coming here without authorization, deport to their country of origin assuming that most are safe. The vast majority of these people are not at risk they are simply illegal economic migrants.

 

[bluethrunthru]

they don't like scrutiny do they? Better get used to it.

 

[theres only one carlito]

I fully understand how pissed off people are. Pretty much everyone's quality of life in this country is decreasing. Poorly paid jobs, unaffordable housing, cost of living, utility bills etc. Putting this mainly down to illegal immigration is nonsense though. People need a scapegoat, and they make an easy, convenient target.

I get why some would vote Reform as a protest vote, but if you really think they're going to solve the problem then I have a bridge to sell you. There are worrying similarities with Trump, and you can see how well that's going for most Americans right now.

As for what the end game is, as you ask, I have no idea. I just hope that Labour, or whoever the government is in future, actually start addressing the problems faced by millions of working people rather than just finding an easy scapegoat in migrants. And that people stop lapping that shit up.

When your spending almost 6 billion on asylum and 2 billion on winter fuel payments for the elderly and you cut that off to cut costs!
your gonna get a backlash. You then decide actually that we will take about 2 billion off the disabled aswell you’re either incompetent, stupid or you don’t actually give a shit about your electorate.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The French are actively encouraging these so called asylum seekers to head to the UK. Pick them up mid channel and deposit them back in France for starters.
Every one of them has broken the law by coming here without authorization, deport to their country of origin assuming that most are safe. The vast majority of these people are not at risk they are simply illegal economic migrants.

what is your evidence for your first point? Where are you sourcing that from? How do you deposit them back in France? You need authorisation to enter a French or any foreign port and it will include a cost. Do you want to commit what is considered a hostile act on a NATO ally just to drop off a few people? #
What law have they broken? I am puzzled. As I said under International Law anyone can enter a country and apply for asylum.

 

[bluethrunthru]

When your spending almost 6 billion on asylum and 2 billion on winter fuel payments for the elderly and you cut that off to cut costs!
your gonna get a backlash. You then decide actually that we will take about 2 billion off the disabled aswell you’re either incompetent, stupid or you don’t actually give a shit about your electorate.

when the previous govt accepted they couldn't reduce those incoming so decided to just stop processing applications what do you expect? they created what was a sausage factory that made more and more sausages but never sold them so needed more and more warehousing to store them. Thats not easy to fix.

 

[bluethrunthru]

vote Reform get UKIP

 

[bluethrunthru]

gRIFTERS WILL ALWAYS GRIFT

 

[threespires]

Putting aside the politics for the moment we now have an extremely 'interesting' situation in Staffordshire.

Systems to induct and support new councillors and committee appointees have always existed but whether they support the level of wholesale change taking place remains to be seen.

During the course of the day it seems that a number of newly elected members have made it clear they are quite unfamiliar with what the role involves or are not familiar with their own individual divisions as they don't actually live there. Apparently one new member has expressed concern that he might not be able to get the time off work.

Obviously the council senior officers and employees provide the key continuity but we now have a £700million organisation with an entirely new executive who seemingly have to develop the necessary competencies from square one. It's a steep learning curve at the best of times compounded by the fact that as a rule of thumb populist parties traditionally struggle with delivery anyway.

I believe the SCC CEO can propose to the council a set of 'interim arrangements' to ensure a smooth transition. Irrespective of whether that happens or not the new council's need to develop a good working relationship with it's officers is probably even more imperative than usual. But this relationship may be compromised by the fact that at a national level Reform UK is committed to reducing the size of government at all levels.

I don't envy anyone in this situation be it the councillors, the officers and most of all us residents, especially the vulnerable ones.

 

[bluethrunthru]

These are the top 5 budget items for English councils, by expenditure;
Education
Adult Social Care
Police Services
Children's Social Care
Cultural, Environmental, and Planning.
Can anyone point me to what Farage's plans are for these?

 

[theres only one carlito]

when the previous govt accepted they couldn't reduce those incoming so decided to just stop processing applications what do you expect? they created what was a sausage factory that made more and more sausages but never sold them so needed more and more warehousing to store them. Thats not easy to fix.

I agree, this isn’t a one party problem, it’s not even just a political problem anymore. It’s been a societal problem for about 2 decades in my opinion. We as a nation prided ourselves on our good nature and care for those less fortunate than ourselves. However this has lead to mass immigration to these shores legal and illegal and the total abuse of our good nature and systems, we didn’t stop it early enough for fear of being called ignorant or racist by society and now we’ve bitten off more than we can chew or sustain. It’s costing a lot of money and rising and will continue to do so for the foreseeable. The fact that the two main parties are seen as two cheeks of the same arse dosnt help them so people need an ‘outball’ and reform at the moment is just that. That dose not make people delusional or racist, its people having no other outlet to get their point across and the only way they can is to support a party they believe is singing from the same hymn sheet. It’s everyones right to vote for who they believe is on their wave length? And that’s what we are seeing. It’s come to a head because a lot of people are sick of how things are. That still doesn’t make them bigots or racist or people pouring cider on their cornflakes ( that’s how one of my mates described Brexit voters) :-)

 

[johnny crossan]

I do worry about Gobby Jobby on LBC, he'll need to take his pills tonight. It must be especially heartbreaking for him to see the Brexit Party rise from the ashes. All gryst to his mill in the end though I suppose.

 

[BTH]

If you want to know about Reform, read their manifesto from last year: https://assets.nationbuilder.com/re...eform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625371

There's a lot of what we're going to do but not much about how we're going to afford to do it. Unlike Labour and the Tories too, they get a pass on this fundamental question and on nearly every single issues are the words: "CRITICAL REFORMS NEEDED IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS." Sound familiar? It should do!

There are also nuggets such as this one: "Brexit Bonus. Cut Unnecessary Regulations Britain still retains over 6,700 EU laws. Government red tape and nanny state regulations are estimated to have cost the UK economy £143 billion since 2015. That means £ billions lost in growth and taxes."

The subtext of this extremely warped and dangerous view is that all of those EU laws are, well, unhelpful. But unhelpful to whom? The workers or the modern equivalent of the mill owners? You decide.

One of the great deceits rolled out by Farage and his gang pre-Brexit was that somehow all EU legislation was bad but all British law somehow wasn't. I mean, what are the chances?

Similar to the Tory Party, Farage wants to reduce politics to the anything goes, wild west with little or no regulations on pretty much anything. The Tory Party simply stopped at being a laissez-faire government. H&S? Shocking. Just let people get maimed or die. We're all individuals right, with inert common sense? What could possibly go wrong?

The EU Working Time Directive? Pah, nanny state stuff. Drive that train or bus for as long as you want. And if you fall asleep at the controls and crash it, it's your life, your choice (oh, and the lives of your passengers). What's not to like when you can just blame the victims? They should have bought a diesel 4x4 instead.

I know this sounds a bit far-fetched but this is the direction in which some want to head. Who would have thought four months ago that Trump would have done what he has done? Gone as far as he has gone?

Farage is merely a Trump knock-off. Ensure he doesn't succeed.

 

[Corky]

These are the top 5 budget items for English councils, by expenditure;
Education
Adult Social Care
Police Services
Children's Social Care
Cultural, Environmental, and Planning.
Can anyone point me to what Farage's plans are for these?

Police spending isn't Council spending, they may pay for the odd PCSO but they just collect the Council Tax on behalf of the Police and give it to the Police who decide how to spend it.

Some County Council's were upper tier only still, so are not the LPA, however Planning is self funding by the fees it charges to a large extent.

Capital delivery programmes take up a large proportion of the funding too at all CC's with highways being their responsibility nor least of these.

 

[inbetween]

when the previous govt accepted they couldn't reduce those incoming so decided to just stop processing applications what do you expect? they created what was a sausage factory that made more and more sausages but never sold them so needed more and more warehousing to store them. Thats not easy to fix.

I think it's pretty simple. Employ more processors/civil servants, simplify the process and decrease processing times. You then explain the cost savings and at very least be honest with people. Lying about smashing the gangs whilst achieving nothing tangible in 10 months is just fundamentally dishonest.

If people disagree with an alternative then fine but at least it's something versus what's happening now which is nothing other than words. Thousands in the meantime are arriving almost daily and it's costing us billions, billions that they've otherwise had to cut from public services and that's the perception of the public.

It isn't good enough to simply say that we can't do anything other than to accept the crossings and then hole these people up in hotels and be provided with provisions at any cost. Are you saying that the UK government is powerless and has zero authority to do anything at all? It's nonsense.

There are alternatives but it requires motivation and energy to pursue those alternatives but Labour does not possess that energy plain and simple. Labour were never elected to fix this problem but now they have to or the traction will continue towards Reform.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

You give off the vibe that you’d be bottom set in every subject.

Was it the Europe’s a country bit?

 

[Alvin-blue-qhd]

I'm sorry but it's a little bit scary.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Have done before also had my tools robbed whilst doing work and also had to trade through bags and bags of rubbish thrown outside houses aswell . And I didn’t say Romanian I said Roma high is totally different . Does that answer your question .

You didn’t answer his question which was did you see him shit on the pavement! I assume the answer is no, or you’d have said so.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I cannot stress how continually surprised I am by how fucking stupid the general population is.

Let's just skip to the part where I have to put up with people saying shit like "this isn't the reform I voted for."

I am sick to death of turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The rise of Reform is the latest symptom of the wider issue at play, namely the ongoing decline of western hegemony which is significantly driven by huge, structural demographic issues, which can be mitigated by a much more mobile global population and a manifest willingness to migrate towards the countries that are subject to those demographic issues.

Mass immigration is the only viable solution to the issue of our ageing population, but with it comes consequences, and some people will inevitably end up being ‘losers’ out of the process, just as much as others will be ‘winners’.

And the former are understandably angry, but I’m not sure what the answer is to what ails them.

This is the bigger picture imo and if western countries want to keep the Ponzi scheme going then they need to carry on letting immigrants in. If they don’t, then living standards will fall further and the impact on social care in particular will be huge.

That’s the reality of the choice we face. Stopping or hugely curtailing immigration will have huge consequences that many who voted Reform don’t appear to have contemplated.