Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

Saddleworth2 said:
ha ha. Read it and you will see. Far be it from me to cast aspersions :-).
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I read some analysis of the election last year and it basically said Reform voters were mainly disgruntled over 50s, Tory votes from the last election who also voted Brexit.

If that’s the case then Reform should do well with 52% in favour of Brexit, and so many of a more elderly age in this country.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I read some analysis of the election last year and it basically said Reform voters were mainly disgruntled over 50s, Tory votes from the last election who also voted Brexit.

If that’s the case then Reform should do well with 52% in favour of Brexit, and so many of a more elderly age in this country.
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You know the saying. Theres no fool like...etc
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I read some analysis of the election last year and it basically said Reform voters were mainly disgruntled over 50s, Tory votes from the last election who also voted Brexit.

If that’s the case then Reform should do well with 52% in favour of Brexit, and so many of a more elderly age in this country.
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The Future’s Blue! said:
I read some analysis of the election last year and it basically said Reform voters were mainly disgruntled over 50s, Tory votes from the last election who also voted Brexit.

If that’s the case then Reform should do well with 52% in favour of Brexit, and so many of a more elderly age in this country.
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They identified five seperate categories of reform voters. Over 50% are over 55 but there are some young ‘Contrarians’. The analysis does point to the majority are not educated to graduate level. Many are cynical about the two main parties (who can blame them for that). I can see them winning the next GE unless the Labour Government get a serious grip, stop tearing themselves apart and start showing some solid and popular progress.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
They identified five seperate categories of reform voters. Over 50% are over 55 but there are some young ‘Contrarians’. The analysis does point to the majority are not educated to graduate level. Many are cynical about the two main parties (who can blame them for that). I can see them winning the next GE unless the Labour Government get a serious grip, stop tearing themselves apart and start showing some solid and popular progress.
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To be honest, I personally would support any solid progress from any party in charge, as long as it supported the needs of the nation.

Could Reform bring that, I’m not sure but looking at their recent policy statements, they don’t fill me with confidence.

However, those you mention don’t really care about the nation, or policies to make things better. They are looking at very specific rhetoric that deals with any type of immigration by wanting rid of anybody who doesn’t look or speak like them. Reminds me of where I grew up where any outsider was deemed hostile, or should I say, was treated with hostility.

They’re not all uneducated either, some are just the older bigoted type. Like one of my older mates Mrs who has moved to Reform, even campaigning for them. She complains about all the foreigners even though they live in a rather expensive, sleepy village in Wiltshire. She wants to keep it white, and English speaking, without any thought of where she comes from herself.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
To be honest, I personally would support any solid progress from any party in charge, as long as it supported the needs of the nation.

Could Reform bring that, I’m not sure but looking at their recent policy statements, they don’t fill me with confidence.

However, those you mention don’t really care about the nation, or policies to make things better. They are looking at very specific rhetoric that deals with any type of immigration by wanting rid of anybody who doesn’t look or speak like them. Reminds me of where I grew up where any outsider was deemed hostile, or should I say, was treated with hostility.

They’re not all uneducated either, some are just the older bigoted type. Like one of my older mates Mrs who has moved to Reform, even campaigning for them. She complains about all the foreigners even though they live in a rather expensive, sleepy village in Wiltshire. She wants to keep it white, and English speaking, without any thought of where she comes from herself.
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There is a large support for Reform in wealthy neighbourhoods. Trust Reform? I wouldn't trust Farage with a three year olds pocket money. He will grift and promise until the next election, probably get elected and we will continue our spiral to the bottom.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
There is a large support for Reform in wealthy neighbourhoods. Trust Reform? I wouldn't trust Farage with a three year olds pocket money. He will grift and promise until the next election, probably get elected and we will continue our spiral to the bottom.
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If he gets in ( he won’t), it won’t be a spiral to the bottom, it’ll be a vertical drop
 
Saddleworth2 said:
There is a large support for Reform in wealthy neighbourhoods. Trust Reform? I wouldn't trust Farage with a three year olds pocket money. He will grift and promise until the next election, probably get elected and we will continue our spiral to the bottom.
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This is where I hold people to account, and if they got in and it all went wrong, they wouldn’t be getting away with their ‘It was the politicians who fucked Brexit up’ rhetoric, no longer will they able to blame somebody else for their own callous behaviour.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
To be honest, I personally would support any solid progress from any party in charge, as long as it supported the needs of the nation.

Could Reform bring that, I’m not sure but looking at their recent policy statements, they don’t fill me with confidence.

However, those you mention don’t really care about the nation, or policies to make things better. They are looking at very specific rhetoric that deals with any type of immigration by wanting rid of anybody who doesn’t look or speak like them. Reminds me of where I grew up where any outsider was deemed hostile, or should I say, was treated with hostility.

They’re not all uneducated either, some are just the older bigoted type. Like one of my older mates Mrs who has moved to Reform, even campaigning for them. She complains about all the foreigners even though they live in a rather expensive, sleepy village in Wiltshire. She wants to keep it white, and English speaking, without any thought of where she comes from herself.
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They are the ultimare irony of a party
 
Saddleworth2 said:
They identified five seperate categories of reform voters. Over 50% are over 55 but there are some young ‘Contrarians’. The analysis does point to the majority are not educated to graduate level. Many are cynical about the two main parties (who can blame them for that). I can see them winning the next GE unless the Labour Government get a serious grip, stop tearing themselves apart and start showing some solid and popular progress.
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There are three and a half years or so left until the next election, so we don't know what the political landscape will look like when we are going into the polling stations in 2029.

Regarding the polls and voting intention, yes, reform are ahead by a decent margin at the momen, but the headline figures don't paint an accurate picture of how people would vote in constituences where reform are predicted to win.

When the question is asked about voting intention after that scenario is put to them, there is a considerable shift towards tactical voting to keep reform out.

That is a real problem for reform, because, at the moment, more people are prepared to vote against them than for them, and the recent by-election in South Wales illustrated that. There was also a council by-election near me a few weeks ago, which had a higher voter turnout than the general election, and reform finished in 4th place. A case could be argued that fear of reform is galvanising people into voting, and while those are only two examples where that sentiment has occured, other focus groups have identified a wafer thin support for reform from those currently saying they would vote for them, but would vote for their usual party if they felt their lives were improving.

Reform are also out of step with most people regarding global warming and energy policy, but the biggest hurdle thay face is the simple fact their leader, Farage, isn't seen as trustworthy

Labour, as you say, have to get their act together, but they are getting things done, like the rent reform act, the employment protection bill, reversing the privatisation of NHS services and fixing the rack concrete problems in our schools, and other public buildings which will filter through as improvements along with other measures they are tackling such as increasing our energy security.

Reform will win more seats at the next election, but it's far from certain they will gain an overall majority, and if that's the case, every other party has stated they won't form a coalition with them.

As things stand at the moment, a reform government is seen as such a dreadful proposition by so many of the electorate, their poll ratings won't result in the number of MP's that would normally be expected.
 
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