Forget Trump & Putin - China is the biggest threat to Europe.

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
There's a reason Huawei 5g was turned off by the UK government in 2020.

China are heavily invested in UK critical national infrastructure, utilities, universities and real estate which gives them a huge strategic advantage in any potential future conflict. It's no wonder the security service head have been having sleepless nights over it.
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The doccis phone network at my company that was rolled out nationwide was all on Huawei switches, got told to change away from them.
 
China is not a traditional military threat such as Russia which only postures as a major country because of its military despite the fact that actually it isn't really any threat. Russia couldn't even win a war with a country that was once a satellite of its own. Arguably why does China even need a military when they do not seek conflict for influence?

The biggest direct threat from China is economic and that's what western Europe and the US should worry about, more so how it adapts rather than responds because it can't respond. Gone are the days where China was seen as the cheap labor capital of the world. In 20 years they'll lead every single industry and they'll replace our own.

Europe and the US will meanwhile continue to twist itself in knots over social issues and irrelevant issues on paper such as migration whilst economies flatline and industries fail. Meanwhile China is building roads, schools, universities and infrastructure... and whole cities!

Look at Chongqing, a city home to 20 million people, 1/3 the UK population! Our infrastructure meanwhile is falling apart at the seams in our cities which China would call villages. It takes us 30 years just to agree to build a runway for Heathrow, an airport that has operated at 99% capacity for decades. How can we possibly compete?



 
inbetween said:
China is not a traditional military threat such as Russia which only postures as a major country because of its military despite the fact that actually it isn't really any threat. Russia couldn't even win a war with a country that was once a satellite of its own. Arguably why does China even need a military when they do not seek conflict for influence?
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all very quiet on the home front these days

 
AliBobbyJ said:
China saw itself as the greatest civilization in the world. They were "the Middle Kingdom", the "Celestial Empire", foreigners were "barbarians" to be disdained or ignored or at least kept at a distance. Then came the West's period of dominance in which China was humiliated with the Opium War and the "unequal treaties" that were imposed on the country in the 19th century. "Dogs & Chinese not permitted" read a sign in a westerners-only park in Shanghai. China has never forgotten or forgiven that hundred years of humiliation. Napoleon, who knew a thing or two, said "China is a sleeping giant; when it wakes it will astonish the world." It's up now alright and stomping around a bit.
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The century of humiliation, "百年国耻".
耻 = humiliation.
But it's a very literal translation. In China when people mention "百年国耻"， it's more about "自强"=should become stronger to avoid falling into disaster again. It's more about self-reflection than emphasizing the humiliation imposed by others.
The trick is anti-China media use this literal translation to construct a narritive "China seeking retaliation" to demonize China's action in defending its national interests.
 
inbetween said:
China is not a traditional military threat such as Russia which only postures as a major country because of its military despite the fact that actually it isn't really any threat. Russia couldn't even win a war with a country that was once a satellite of its own. Arguably why does China even need a military when they do not seek conflict for influence?

The biggest direct threat from China is economic and that's what western Europe and the US should worry about, more so how it adapts rather than responds because it can't respond. Gone are the days where China was seen as the cheap labor capital of the world. In 20 years they'll lead every single industry and they'll replace our own.

Europe and the US will meanwhile continue to twist itself in knots over social issues and irrelevant issues on paper such as migration whilst economies flatline and industries fail. Meanwhile China is building roads, schools, universities and infrastructure... and whole cities!

Look at Chongqing, a city home to 20 million people, 1/3 the UK population! Our infrastructure meanwhile is falling apart at the seams in our cities which China would call villages. It takes us 30 years just to agree to build a runway for Heathrow, an airport that has operated at 99% capacity for decades. How can we possibly compete?



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I visited Chongqing with my wife in 2004.
It was nothing like it obviously is today.
From Chongqing we took a ferry down the Yang Tse (long river) to Yichang through the 3 gorges dam, just before the water level was raised drowning some of the old settlements.
One day I will go back, it looks awesome.
The film says that the city is home to 30 million people not 20 million,
so almost half the UK population.
Thanks for posting the videos.
 
I note that kill switches have been found in components for US solar farms.

Why on earth do we allow Chinese microelectronics into the West?
At the very least each component needs to be tested and batch samples have to be selected at customs and retested - At the Chinese company cost of course. That means they would have dramatically invest in UK warehouses to store stock.

www.techdigest.tv

Chinese 'kill switches' spark security concerns at US solar farms - Tech Digest

The discovery of hidden "kill switches" in American solar farms has ignited a wave of security concerns, prompting calls for investigations
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BlueAnorak said:
I note that kill switches have been found in components for US solar farms.

Why on earth do we allow Chinese microelectronics into the West?
At the very least each component needs to be tested and batch samples have to be selected at customs and retested - At the Chinese company cost of course. That means they would have dramatically invest in UK warehouses to store stock.

www.techdigest.tv

Chinese 'kill switches' spark security concerns at US solar farms - Tech Digest

The discovery of hidden "kill switches" in American solar farms has ignited a wave of security concerns, prompting calls for investigations
www.techdigest.tv www.techdigest.tv
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If this turns out to be 100% true it is clearly a hostile act.

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“There’s a pretty solid understanding among our major adversaries that a large-scale attack on the power grid would be treated as an act of war, more or less, by the United States,” Carter said.

journalism.csis.org

Power Struggle: Anticipating Cyberattacks on the Electric Grid | CSIS Journalism Bootcamp

How likely is a cyberattack on US infrastructure, and what can be done to increase resilience?
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From 2014.

Roger’s remarks about critical infrastructure attacks came in response to questioning from Republican Mike Rogers of Michigan, who chairs the intelligence committee. He asked the NSA director about a private report detailing China-based intrusions into the power grid and other critical systems that appeared to be precursors to attack.

apnews.com

NSA director: China can damage US power grid

WASHINGTON (AP) — China and "one or two" other countries are capable of mounting cyberattacks that would shut down the electric grid and other critical systems in parts of the United States, according to Adm.
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From 2017

These response options would clarify how the U.S. government would respond not only to a successful attack but also to a failed attempt and to the discovery of adversarial probing and exploration to prepare for an attack.

www.cfr.org

A Cyberattack on the U.S. Power Grid

The U.S. power grid has long been considered a logical target for a major cyberattack. Besides the intrinsic importance of the power grid to a functioning U.S. society, all sixteen sectors of the U.S…
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Quick, ditch all Iphones, every tele, in fact all stuff with made in China labels...The Deindustrial revolution is nigh.......ffs
 
Username Required said:
If this turns out to be 100% true it is clearly a hostile act.
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Hostile act?

Maybe, but it all depends on contractual agreements at the procurement stage. It could easily be argued that it is just an inbuilt safety feature. If the US energy company didn't specify that the system shouldn't be capable of RF remote operation, then it's probably on them for not being diligent with their requirements with regards safety and security.

We all need to be smarter when it comes to security, not just government, defence, CNI and business in general, but everyone.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I like the Chinese. They're a great bunch of lads.
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I always look at these countries and think they are just doing the best for their country, their way.

The likes of China and India were the world’s powerhouses only a couple of hundred years ago, overtaken by the West during industrialisation. They’ve now hoovered up all the industry that we no longer wanted and pumped their economy with it.

They didn’t take it, we gave it them, and who can blame them for profiting at the Wests decline in these areas.
 
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Components in solar farms..a threat?
Americans don't worry about sending out their military force to east aisa, thousands miles away from home, to fight a war against a country which accounts for one third of the global industry output. When news breaks that J-10C shoot down some French made jets, Rafale. So many Americans say "don't give any credit to China made weapons".
But, components in solar farms?
 
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