Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

tweety said:
Ridiculous analogy, do you think new MP's just rack up and sit on the benches without an induction course. A truck driver will obviously have the requirements of the job.
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BigJoe started this. Did Sunak have to explain to Starmer what the job was?
 
MouldensChippy said:
Why don't you understand the loss of £20 million of taxpayers cash, because I'm fairly positive you would if the council was anything but Labour.

Do you really think that the government were really happy to get that much less back ?

Do you also think that they were going to make over £20 million re-loaning at a higher interest rate. What were they doing, starting a pay day loan company with super compound interest, and broken legs for late payers ?

Anyway, I'm happy that you're not my accountant.
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It's HM Treasury's accountants you need to ask. This isn't just a Warrington thing. Cherwell council is only repaying £10.5m of a £25m loan taken out only three and a half years ago. (Before the Truss budget)
 
Vic said:
It's HM Treasury's accountants you need to ask. This isn't just a Warrington thing. Cherwell council is only repaying £10.5m of a £25m loan taken out only three and a half years ago. (Before the Truss budget)
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As I said earlier, I reckon it's to stop councils registering 114. Cheaper to lose some than bail out a whole council.

So do you think that Cherwell made a £14.5 million profit ?
 
tweety said:
The majority voted leave, deal with it. I was always unhappy with our taxes paying for the modernization of eastern Europe, Iberian peninsula and Ireland whilst our infrastructure crumbled. I believe it was the UK and Germany that propped it all up. They're not our problem and we should start to look after ourselves.
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We are dealing and living with it-every bloody day. The nett UK contribution to the EU was £10bn-12bn a year. It is costing us £100bn per year not being a member. So how is being £90bn worse off EVERY YEAR looking after ourselves? just imagine if the country was £800bn better off than it actually is. Well, that financial deficit was self-imposed by the likes of you looking at others benefitting without working out that actually it was good for us all. Oh, and apparently over 70% now realise it was a mistake to leave. You're clearly not one of those that can see and admit a mistake when it's staring them in a mirror.

As for the last bit about looking after ourselves, do you really believe that pulling up the drawbridge is the right thing to do? The last few days using the NHS has been a real eye opener for me because it is very much a case that is we that are being looked after by "them" rather than the other way round.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
so many MP's for the major Parties when newly elected have Political experience in local Govt, have worked in their Party set up and have been involved in business which has involved them in and have had dealings with and an interest in Politics in general - eg our local councillor is an LD who was elected 2 years ago and I believe is in line for selection for PPC at the next GE. She has spent over a decade as an activist for the LD's and doing voluntary work as well as worked in a local govt scientific role.

I know you are going to come back with "its a new Party" however Reform Ltd began in 2018. Many of those elected were also Brexit Party members and even Councillors - some even were councillors for the Conservatives ( Pochin was a former Conservative Councillor who accepted a role on Bolton Council from Labour ) - so getting people elected who have resigned within a couple of weeks because they have no idea what the job entails, they can't commit the necessary time or have previously posted offensive, racist, homophobic content is not the product of them just being a new party.

As a foot note giving two 19 year olds the charge of Adult Social Care who's only qualification is that they were former pupils of a £50k pa fee paying school but presumably did not get the qualifications to get into a Russell Group University is quite frankly mental. They hold sway over a budget of £616m pa. That will not end well.
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What are your thoughts on the current cabinet's educational qualifications and work experience especially Reeves, Miliband and Rayner? Personally I wouldn't trust them to organise a jumble sale.
You give no leeway to a new political party yet a free pass to labour.
 
MouldensChippy said:
As I said earlier, I reckon it's to stop councils registering 114. Cheaper to lose some than bail out a whole council.

So do you think that Cherwell made a £14.5 million profit ?
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Well, you may not like the word "profit", but it's still left the council you criticised with £20m "premium" from buying and selling an asset on borrowed money, on top of rents received.

Nowt to do with s.114 as the premium is amortised over 10 years in the revenue account (£1.45m a year in the Cherwell case, which won't touch the Social Care pressures). If local government doesn't get better funding for care costs, s.114 awaits many more councils.
 
Vic said:
Well, you may not like the word "profit", but it's still left the council you criticised with £20m "premium" from buying and selling an asset on borrowed money, on top of rents received.

Nowt to do with s.114 as the premium is amortised over 10 years in the revenue account (£1.45m a year in the Cherwell case, which won't touch the Social Care pressures). If local government doesn't get better funding for care costs, s.114 awaits many more councils.
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The council borrowed, and bought an asset for £50 million. They sold it at £30 million.

The only people profiting were the first group who sold the asset, and the second group who took advantage of a knockdown (in distress) price.

The 114 was a theory, but there is some big reason that governments are willing to write off that cash, and it's not because they want it back to re-lend.

There is no profit for said council, just a loss of taxpayer funding. After all would you lend someone, let's say 50 grand, with a full contract in place that charges interest. Would you accept 30 grand back ?
 
tweety said:
What are your thoughts on the current cabinet's educational qualifications and work experience especially Reeves, Miliband and Rayner? Personally I wouldn't trust them to organise a jumble sale.
You give no leeway to a new political party yet a free pass to labour.
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all have many years political experience at shadow and govt cabinet level - Reeves has been an MP for 15 years - Milliband 20 years and Rayner 11 - prior to that all had other political experience - those two I referenced are fresh out of school - any pennies dropping yet?
 
bluethrunthru said:
all have many years political experience at shadow and govt cabinet level - Reeves has been an MP for 15 years - Milliband 20 years and Rayner 11 - prior to that all had other political experience - those two I referenced are fresh out of school - any pennies dropping yet?
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So sitting around a table with similar dullards for years is now classed as experience?
Reeves with the dodgy CV, Miliband has a PPE degree, really useful as energy secretary and Rayner wiped backsides in a care home for a year. Are you taking the piss?
They amongst others have neither the qualifications or experience to hold their office, no wonder the country is in such a mess.
 
tweety said:
So sitting around a table with similar dullards for years is now classed as experience?
Reeves with the dodgy CV, Miliband has a PPE degree, really useful as energy secretary and Rayner wiped backsides in a care home for a year. Are you taking the piss?
They amongst others have neither the qualifications or experience to hold their office, no wonder the country is in such a mess.
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I think your relationship with how the world works is semi-detached at best.

You seem to have zero idea what experience is and your blind worship of grifter in chief Farage that you think kids and Darren Grime's mum - that appears to be her sole qualification - skews how things work. I wouldn't even sell you a bridge because you'd probably think it was a bog roll or an aeroplane. I presume you apply for work by just supplying your name and age - providing details of your qualifications and experience would - it seems in your view - only prejudice any chance you have of getting the role.
 
tweety said:
So sitting around a table with similar dullards for years is now classed as experience?
Reeves with the dodgy CV, Miliband has a PPE degree, really useful as energy secretary and Rayner wiped backsides in a care home for a year. Are you taking the piss?
They amongst others have neither the qualifications or experience to hold their office, no wonder the country is in such a mess.
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It's also in such a mess because 52% believed Farage and co. So if you voted for Brexit, don't come moaning that things are a mess when you helped dig the fucking hole.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
BigJoe did not start this.... but if you want to misguidedly believe that fine.... it was whoever said... oh forget it.

You really are silly.
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BigJoe#1 said:
Not very community minded is she? Possibly why she didn't get re-elected.

Everyone has to start somewhere, sadly, we're not all blessed with an abundance of knowledge from the very start of any job we undertake and many of us have to ask for help, Regardless of what the switch was, be it Independent/Green, Lib/Dem/Reform or even Tory to Labour. or any other combination.
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BigJoe#1 said:
Not very community minded is she? Possibly why she didn't get re-elected.

Everyone has to start somewhere, sadly, we're not all blessed with an abundance of knowledge from the very start of any job we undertake and many of us have to ask for help, Regardless of what the switch was, be it Independent/Green, Lib/Dem/Reform or even Tory to Labour. or any other combination.
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richardtheref said:
On Friday I was talking to 1 of our deposed independent councillors. She was glad she didn't get in as she said she couldn't work with Reform UK. Then she told me 1 of the elected Reform UK councillors has been in touch asking for her assistance as none of the 3 elected councillors knew what to do when they got to the council. Basically asking her about the nuts and bolts of how it all ran. She refused.
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Now please grow up and put your toys back in your pram, else it's the naughty step for you.

Like I said, not very community spirited is it?
 
bluethrunthru said:
I think your relationship with how the world works is semi-detached at best.

You seem to have zero idea what experience is and your blind worship of grifter in chief Farage that you think kids and Darren Grime's mum - that appears to be her sole qualification - skews how things work. I wouldn't even sell you a bridge because you'd probably think it was a bog roll or an aeroplane. I presume you apply for work by just supplying your name and age - providing details of your qualifications and experience would - it seems in your view - only prejudice any chance you have of getting the role.
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Boo hoo, I don't worship Farage but imo they deserve a chance looking at the track record of labour and conservative.
In my previous post I questioned the qualifications, experience and suitability of 3 cabinet ministers for their positions yet you go on a rant about my ability to make an informed choice.
I'll ask again when does one year of working in a care home make you suitable for a cabinet position?
Fuck off with your bridge.
 
tweety said:
Boo hoo, I don't worship Farage but imo they deserve a chance looking at the track record of labour and conservative.
In my previous post I questioned the qualifications, experience and suitability of 3 cabinet ministers for their positions yet you go on a rant about my ability to make an informed choice.
I'll ask again when does one year of working in a care home make you suitable for a cabinet position?
Fuck off with your bridge.
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clown or wum I can't decide
 
hampshireblue said:
It's also in such a mess because 52% believed Farage and co. So if you voted for Brexit, don't come moaning that things are a mess when you helped dig the fucking hole.
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The mess we're in has nothing to do with Brexit but the incompetence of conservative and labour governments in their policies and by dragging their feet over Brexit which neither wanted to happen.
 
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