Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

Just a reminder that you assumed the defeated councillor was "Not very community minded". Where was that said?
Talk plain sense will you and quit this jibberish. I never assumed anything, we all know they were unprepared to had the role over - though quite how that relates to an applicant that didn't know what the job is, I'm not sure.

The councilor refused to or chose not to do a formal/proper hand over not very community minded IMO.
 
Seems like you are another who needs to start 'getting over it' (and perhaps yourself)
How can you "get over" Brexit? You did it, own it. You were wrong about how threatening to walk away with no deal would mean we got a good deal (from your vast negotiating experience).

I wouldn't want to twist words. I'm sure you can remember what you repeated ad infinitum about political will and how brilliant Frost was as a negotiator.
 
Ha ha ha - Tice living in a state which is governed under Sharia law advocates the same for the UK. Remind me of the Reform stance on this again

 
Didn't you read?

£50m loan. Only £30m had to be paid back.

So if they could do that with another £500m of debt by selling other investments that would be what? £200m profit?
Is that what you'd call Labournomics ?

Is the chancellor going to use use it ?

Lose 40% of the initial taxpayer funding, but call that loss a profit......?

A profit would be where the whole initial sum plus interest had been returned, and the coucil had managed a return for itself.

If the party in control of that situation had any colour rosette, other than red, you'd be all over it !
 
Is that what you'd call Labournomics ?

Is the chancellor going to use use it ?

Lose 40% of the initial taxpayer funding, but call that loss a profit......?

A profit would be where the whole initial sum plus interest had been returned, and the coucil had managed a return for itself.

If the party in control of that situation had any colour rosette, other than red, you'd be all over it !

Council had a £50m loan (from taxpayers if you will). Invested money. Income from property for several years, interest paid to "taxpayers". Property sold. "Taxpayers" offer a discount to have loan back early so they can make more money loaning it out again at higher rates. Council (Council's Taxpayers) quids in. Sounds just like the way capitalism works.
 
Council had a £50m loan (from taxpayers if you will). Invested money. Income from property for several years, interest paid to "taxpayers". Property sold. "Taxpayers" offer a discount to have loan back early so they can make more money loaning it out again at higher rates. Council (Council's Taxpayers) quids in. Sounds just like the way capitalism works.
Sounds more like the taxpayers saving a 114 from a council, because losing £20 million is cheaper than bailing out said council.... You know, the way insolvencies work, you get back pence on the pound.

But to you Rachel's £22 billion black hole is a massive profit...
 
I think that message would have been quite simple....

"Look at the Government you have today and what they're [not] achieving and delivering, same for your local councils" and yes there will some immigration possibly racist comments, but they were hardly a hard act to follow were they?

I have no doubt they will not be the success they promised, but sadly, that says all that can be said about British Politics today.

The results are evident and right there under your nose.
morning from the hospital bed.

Absolutely no one in the country will be happy with everything that a government of any persuasion will come up with. It is all a compromise, and different voters will put different issues in levels of importance. But it is easy for the Reform mob to promise the world without actually ever needing to deliver. We saw just this in 2016 after the referendum. The bizarre thing is any voter actually gives them any credence after the shitshow that took place after the referendum. Giving them a vote is nothing short of political lunacy.
 
morning from the hospital bed.

Absolutely no one in the country will be happy with everything that a government of any persuasion will come up with. It is all a compromise, and different voters will put different issues in levels of importance. But it is easy for the Reform mob to promise the world without actually ever needing to deliver. We saw just this in 2016 after the referendum. The bizarre thing is any voter actually gives them any credence after the shitshow that took place after the referendum. Giving them a vote is nothing short of political lunacy.
Morning hope you're well on course to a full recovery.

You won't be surprised but I am compelled to disagree but..... as I stated the state of the country really is so bad, just look back over the last 40 years and there has been in a continuous downward spiral, getting worse year on year. Tories or Labour, neither party capable or recognising some of the good work their predecessors have done, instead they prefer to spend or waste Billions on unpicking and back tracking - The Rwanda deal is an absolute classic example. Tories introduced it at great cost and up front investment then Labour come along and throw the whole lot in the bin and then.... start talking about a "hub system", which lets be honest isn't a million miles away from the Rwanda scheme. The major impact is they have to start from scratch and invest more millions at the concept/design stage ..... it really is unbelievable

That is a classic example of why millions of people are pissed off with both the main parties and politics in particular. But i do find it disingenuous of you saying to giving then a vote is political lunacy... for some there is just no alternative... so et the lunatics take over the asylum... they cannot do any worse (or so people may think)
 
So, it will be OK because someone who applies for a job as a truck driver, gets the job and asks how to drive as he has only ridden a push bike? On the job training? Hand over?
 
So, it will be OK because someone who applies for a job as a truck driver, gets the job and asks how to drive as he has only ridden a push bike? On the job training? Hand over?
You’d imagine in this scenario, the company would put a pre-requisite that an HGV or similar licence is needed?

If the person, came out with bluster and false promises and somehow convinced the recruiters, and didn’t have one, upon discovery they would be dismissed? There would be no on the job training or handover.

Also, I’m sure it would be the job of the wider company to deliver the training, and not the previous driver.
 
Morning hope you're well on course to a full recovery.

You won't be surprised but I am compelled to disagree but..... as I stated the state of the country really is so bad, just look back over the last 40 years and there has been in a continuous downward spiral, getting worse year on year. Tories or Labour, neither party capable or recognising some of the good work their predecessors have done, instead they prefer to spend or waste Billions on unpicking and back tracking - The Rwanda deal is an absolute classic example. Tories introduced it at great cost and up front investment then Labour come along and throw the whole lot in the bin and then.... start talking about a "hub system", which lets be honest isn't a million miles away from the Rwanda scheme. The major impact is they have to start from scratch and invest more millions at the concept/design stage ..... it really is unbelievable

That is a classic example of why millions of people are pissed off with both the main parties and politics in particular. But i do find it disingenuous of you saying to giving then a vote is political lunacy... for some there is just no alternative... so et the lunatics take over the asylum... they cannot do any worse (or so people may think)
If the Rwanda plan is your "go to" for an example of why we are in a mess, then I think that shows a certain naivety It was estimated to cost £200000 per asylum seeker and was limited in numbers. So merely a populist policy to assuage the RW and racists.

But apparently you think it a good idea to invest your vote in a party that is led by individuals that promise the world after leaving the EU. You get all arsey about the cost of this and that without ever having had the balls to admit that the economy is £100bn per year worse off because of the actions of the very people you think are our saviours. They can and will do worse for the country whilst ensuring that they and their cronies always come out on top. Tice advocating a high wage economy and moaning about low cost foreign labour whilst going to live in Dubai just says it all about both his politics and morals.Dubai was founded using many of the things that he is, apparently fundamentally against.
 
So, it will be OK because someone who applies for a job as a truck driver, gets the job and asks how to drive as he has only ridden a push bike? On the job training? Hand over?
Ridiculous analogy, do you think new MP's just rack up and sit on the benches without an induction course. A truck driver will obviously have the requirements of the job.
 
Morning hope you're well on course to a full recovery.

You won't be surprised but I am compelled to disagree but..... as I stated the state of the country really is so bad, just look back over the last 40 years and there has been in a continuous downward spiral, getting worse year on year. Tories or Labour, neither party capable or recognising some of the good work their predecessors have done, instead they prefer to spend or waste Billions on unpicking and back tracking - The Rwanda deal is an absolute classic example. Tories introduced it at great cost and up front investment then Labour come along and throw the whole lot in the bin and then.... start talking about a "hub system", which lets be honest isn't a million miles away from the Rwanda scheme. The major impact is they have to start from scratch and invest more millions at the concept/design stage ..... it really is unbelievable

That is a classic example of why millions of people are pissed off with both the main parties and politics in particular. But i do find it disingenuous of you saying to giving then a vote is political lunacy... for some there is just no alternative... so et the lunatics take over the asylum... they cannot do any worse (or so people may think)

How about Farage’s role and bringing Brexit to the table which caused more economic damage to the UK, increased immigration and boat crossings and cut ties with Europe?
The same Farage you will vote for to make everything better.
 
The majority voted leave, deal with it. I was always unhappy with our taxes paying for the modernization of eastern Europe, Iberian peninsula and Ireland whilst our infrastructure crumbled. I believe it was the UK and Germany that propped it all up. They're not our problem and we should start to look after ourselves.
 
Sounds more like the taxpayers saving a 114 from a council, because losing £20 million is cheaper than bailing out said council.... You know, the way insolvencies work, you get back pence on the pound.

But to you Rachel's £22 billion black hole is a massive profit...
"Taxpayers" offered loans at the low interest rates the Tories had inherited from Labour. You surely can't complain if a Labour council then starts cashing in by paying back loans early so "Taxpayers" can relend the money at the much higher interest rates caused by Tory budgets.

Why don't capitalists understand market forces?
 
"Taxpayers" offered loans at the low interest rates the Tories had inherited from Labour. You surely can't complain if a Labour council then starts cashing in by paying back loans early so "Taxpayers" can relend the money at the much higher interest rates caused by Tory budgets.

Why don't capitalists understand market forces?
Why don't you understand the loss of £20 million of taxpayers cash, because I'm fairly positive you would if the council was anything but Labour.

Do you really think that the government were really happy to get that much less back ?

Do you also think that they were going to make over £20 million re-loaning at a higher interest rate. What were they doing, starting a pay day loan company with super compound interest, and broken legs for late payers ?

Anyway, I'm happy that you're not my accountant.
 
Morning hope you're well on course to a full recovery.

You won't be surprised but I am compelled to disagree but..... as I stated the state of the country really is so bad, just look back over the last 40 years and there has been in a continuous downward spiral, getting worse year on year. Tories or Labour, neither party capable or recognising some of the good work their predecessors have done, instead they prefer to spend or waste Billions on unpicking and back tracking - The Rwanda deal is an absolute classic example. Tories introduced it at great cost and up front investment then Labour come along and throw the whole lot in the bin and then.... start talking about a "hub system", which lets be honest isn't a million miles away from the Rwanda scheme. The major impact is they have to start from scratch and invest more millions at the concept/design stage ..... it really is unbelievable

That is a classic example of why millions of people are pissed off with both the main parties and politics in particular. But i do find it disingenuous of you saying to giving then a vote is political lunacy... for some there is just no alternative... so et the lunatics take over the asylum... they cannot do any worse (or so people may think)
I think that's nonsense. 1997-2010 was a golden age, only a capitalist crash ruined it. (And a war or two)
 
Ridiculous analogy, do you think new MP's just rack up and sit on the benches without an induction course. A truck driver will obviously have the requirements of the job.

so many MP's for the major Parties when newly elected have Political experience in local Govt, have worked in their Party set up and have been involved in business which has involved them in and have had dealings with and an interest in Politics in general - eg our local councillor is an LD who was elected 2 years ago and I believe is in line for selection for PPC at the next GE. She has spent over a decade as an activist for the LD's and doing voluntary work as well as worked in a local govt scientific role.

I know you are going to come back with "its a new Party" however Reform Ltd began in 2018. Many of those elected were also Brexit Party members and even Councillors - some even were councillors for the Conservatives ( Pochin was a former Conservative Councillor who accepted a role on Bolton Council from Labour ) - so getting people elected who have resigned within a couple of weeks because they have no idea what the job entails, they can't commit the necessary time or have previously posted offensive, racist, homophobic content is not the product of them just being a new party.

As a foot note giving two 19 year olds the charge of Adult Social Care who's only qualification is that they were former pupils of a £50k pa fee paying school but presumably did not get the qualifications to get into a Russell Group University is quite frankly mental. They hold sway over a budget of £616m pa. That will not end well.
 

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