Crystal Palace (N) | FA Cup Final | Post Match Thread

[Jezza11]

Just like last year our performance left a sour taste on a good day out. Failure to show up in back to back FA cup finals is pathetic from the players. Haaland a shit house for giving that penalty away. Pep did great recently to find a different set up that was working and got praise for it, but in the last 2 games he has made an already crap season a potential disaster for club by throwing it out the window to fit in returning players who haven’t even warranted the minutes. The less said about VAR the better, surely thats got to be a nail in the coffin ??

 

[halfcenturyup]

Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.

Wrong. The law isn't that he must have the ball under control at the time of the offence. The law is:

"The following must be considered:
- distance between the offence and the goal
- general direction of the play
- likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
- location and number of defenders"

Likelihood of gaining control of the ball.

He was absolutely likely to chip the ball over Henderson and score. He has done it numerous times. I cant recall him missing one. Either way, it is still likely.

 

[Dannyblue52]

113 minutes yesterday that summed up the entire season !

Could have been 115 minutes

 

[Stoned Rose]

People have also skimmed over his responsibility for the goal as well.....

I haven’t Si. I called him on it in my first post match post.

Definitely not a full back.

 

[vicblueman]

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We've been playing against this low block for a few years now. It's not new to us. Infact I would say we alone have played against it more than any other side in England and yet we still persist with this sideways movement of the ball. We try nothing different. How about putting Doku or Marmoush or anybody down the middle and tell them to just run at them from there, cause some panic in their defence something they wouldn't expect, break the line up. Try something different. Doku always has two defenders on him on the wing and never once does a defender overlap him to take one away, instead we rotate it inside over and over again.

Dont know whats happened here but not my post lol!

 

[Mad_fer_it]

Time for many changes and a full scale rebuild.

Players bottled it more than anything yesterday.

Ref cheated us out of a red card for them and that hurts like fuck. Did they bottle it too? Or was there an element of anti city bias? Not sure... but, we missed a penalty - unacceptable. We had chances (O'Reily x2, the Doku pull back where nobody was in the box, Kevs chance where he blazed it over, Echeverri hitting it straight at the keeper). Take one those six, SIX!! fucking chances and it's a different game. They choked.

 

[Blue2112]

Dont know whats happened here but not my post lol!

Its me mate, in a hotel in london with a hangover struggling to type haha

 

[Stoned Rose]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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Relatively neutral here, A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday. There's a photo on facebook of Foden, his Mrs and one of his son's all glammed up for some event or other. Doubt there's similar of Palace players. Too much
celebrity status, has it all gone to there heads?

It’s you who doesn’t understand it.

You’re either wumming or a contrary ****.

 

[Harvster]

The handball incident is all very odd. Although Attwell is a criminally poor referee, I don't blame him on this occasion. Live at the game nobody appealed for it and when the game was stopped up at the top of 503 we didn't even know which player might be red carded, as Palace had launched an attack of their own straight after. Having just re-watched now even Guy Mowbray on commentary doesn't see it at first, you just need to have the correct angle when it becomes as plain as a Blackadder pikestaff. The linesman should see it, as it is on his side, but the real culprit is Gillett, who was previously my favourite ref. The ball is going away from goal because Henderson launched it there; if Haaland gets it and goes past him, he is basically going towards goal and is defo scoring. Based on the principle of what you would expect to happen if Mateta was bearing down on our goal, then Ortega came out of his area and bashed the ball away with his arm, we would be down to 10 men before you could say "and quite correctly too"

 

[simon23]

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We've been playing against this low block for a few years now. It's not new to us. Infact I would say we alone have played against it more than any other side in England and yet we still persist with this sideways movement of the ball. We try nothing different. How about putting Doku or Marmoush or anybody down the middle and tell them to just run at them from there, cause some panic in their defence something they wouldn't expect, break the line up. Try something different. Doku always has two defenders on him on the wing and never once does a defender overlap him to take one away, instead we rotate it inside over and over again.

exactly this....

We used to have the quality of Sane, Sterling and Mahrez outwide who could still do damage against a low block either going wide or coming inside...

we also had David Silva for this type of game who could thread the ball threw the eye of a needle - and prime KDB who could do the same - now we have no one in there that can do this unlocking of the deep block as KDB short passing game has fallen off nearly as much as his ability to run! Gundo has lost his ability to get into the box, score goals or assist as well

We also now have inferior wingers - Sav for me is a poor wide player at present - huge improvement needed from him needed or he needs to be sold - so poor infront of goal he makes sterling look clinical...doesnt attack the back post either like sterling did. Grealish has never offered anything in terms of goal output either so the bench player makes zero difference and Doku has 2 men on him all the time - he at least tries and was our best attacking threat yesterday

The only bit i disagree with you on is Marmoush central - he is not a 8 for certain and not a 10 - he is either a wide forward or a number 9 - he doesnt have the quality in very tight spaces - good player dont get me wrong but he is not a 10 like Wirtz for instance or Foden in his prime

 

[City_Sean]

I was quite happy when I saw the side Pep had pick yesterday. Unlike the team he selected against Southampton. That being said I don`t think it really matter what team he picks. Our problem is with Pep`s idea of slowly pushing the opposition back which ends up with the 11 players of the opposition in there own penalty area. Our build up is so slow it allow them to get set to defend. This slow build up also makes it very difficult for our strikers to get any kind of service. I genuinely feel sorry for our forwards Haaland an Marmoush must be frustrated and bored beyond belief,

I agree 100% with what you've said. Just for the record I'm not Pep out, I just think he's become too comfortable with this group of players.

Pep of a few years ago would not have stood for performances like yesterday, he'd have actioned and made changes. I think he's too loyal to the old guard but it's costing the team. Totally agree re Haaland and Marmoush. We don't play to either of their strengths.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

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We've been playing against this low block for a few years now. It's not new to us. Infact I would say we alone have played against it more than any other side in England and yet we still persist with this sideways movement of the ball. We rarely if ever try nothing different. How about putting Doku or Marmoush or anybody down the middle and tell them to just run at them from there, cause some panic in their defence something they wouldn't expect, break the line up. Try something different. Doku always has two defenders on him on the wing and never once does a defender overlap him to take one away, instead we rotate it inside over and over again.

Christ on a bike.
Doku Doku Doku.
He's a very limited avg player who is only good for 10 - 15 minute cameos against tiring, or not yet warmed up legs. The game settles and he's a liability in terms of helping the team, and his reading of the game is Zero.
The hair, the jiggles the shoulder drops seem to sell the dummy to a lot of our fans more than the opposition.
First out the door for me.

 

[simon23]

I haven’t Si. I called him on it in my first post match post.

Definitely not a full back.

Yeah has the physicality but not the defensive awareness - not his fault but yeah he was at fault

 

[simon23]

Christ on a bike.
Doku Doku Doku.
He's a very limited avg player who is only good for 10 - 15 minute cameos against tiring, or not yet warmed up legs. The game settles and he's a liability in terms of helping the team, and his reading of the game is Zero.
The hair, the jiggles the shoulder drops seem to sell the dummy to a lot of our fans more than the opposition.
First out the door for me.

Yet he is the only one who keeps trying to do anything different

We could play Grealish there for more sideways and backwards passes I suppose!

 

[remember arthur mann]

Based on the principle of what you would expect to happen if Mateta was bearing down on our goal, then Ortega came out of his area and bashed the ball away with his arm, we would be down to 10 men before you could say "and quite correctly too"

Just so. As for Mowbray, he has selective eyesight when it comes to City.

 

[Lavinda Past]

So slow that he outsprinted his defender and reached a long ball so quickly he panicked Henderson into handling the ball outside his area. And I hadn't realised that scoring against Real Madrid made you a flat track bully.

He's hopeless mate. If Henderson hadn't touched the ball, Haaland would have just run into him and pushed him over like the dumb ox he is.

 

[Harvster]

Few more thoughts on the game; actually thought we played okay. Haaland has to take responsibility for the penalty. Was very proud of both Bernardo and Kev, for their efforts in trying to save us. Think Bernard has been excellent since being moved to a central defensive midfield role, whilst de Bruyne could hardly move at the end and subsequently kept losing the ball, but had still created most of our best moments, fighting valiantly against his body's decline

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Crohn’s or colitis is what I’m guessing

I have Crohns. It's a massive head fuck at first and takes a while to get your head around. It can be managed with lifestyle and medication. I have not had a flare up in years.
Stress really exacerbates the issues and can massively contribute to flare ups.
It's not for me to tell anyone how to deal with such a condition. But, if he wanted any advice, I would tell him to go public and let people know of his issue. Immediately people will get off his back and he will start getting more support. He will then get the time to deal with the issue and cone back fitter and healthier. These 10 minute cameos are not helping as all he is getting is stick.
When Darren Fletcher was diagnosed with Colitis, he took a long period out of the game. He had quite extensive surgery I think. He did manage to get it under control and managed to get his career back on track.
It can be managed and Phil will be getting the best available care.

 

[Dannyblue52]

The handball incident is all very odd. Although Attwell is a criminally poor referee, I don't blame him on this occasion. Live at the game nobody appealed for it and when the game was stopped up at the top of 503 we didn't even know which player might be red carded, as Palace had launched an attack of their own straight after. Having just re-watched now even Guy Mowbray on commentary doesn't see it at first, you just need to have the correct angle when it becomes as plain as a Blackadder pikestaff. The linesman should see it, as it is on his side, but the real culprit is Gillett, who was previously my favourite ref. The ball is going away from goal because Henderson launched it there; if Haaland gets it and goes past him, he is basically going towards goal and is defo scoring. Based on the principle of what you would expect to happen if Mateta was bearing down on our goal, then Ortega came out of his area and bashed the ball away with his arm, we would be down to 10 men before you could say "and quite correctly too"

The ref didn't see it! If that's the case he should have gone to the monitor. The ref is supposed to give the decision not var. It's there for a clear and obvious error. The obvious error was not to give a red card.

 

[Nellies left peg]

I woke up this morning with a rather sick feeling about yesterday.

It's like a bad dream. I wish I knew where we go from here.

It wasn't so much the loss as the manner of it.

The great side of the last dozen or so years is but a distant memory.

You can accept defeat if you are a good sportsman but it’s the manner of sour capitulations that get everyone wound up. Gutless, toothless and even the supporters can see what is happening during games that Pep does fuck all to change. There is something seriously wrong within this squad that he can’t see or won’t admit. If Foden is suffering from something why not come out and say something the fans are on his side, but just not performing with no explanation won’t do any good