No doubt with the offside, I just mean they intervened for decisions for us too. He did lose that control, our yellows was correct but he should have dished out some time wasting yellows to them. I agree, I just don't think he is very good.Agree with you that he wasn't deliberately trying to screw us over. I cant blame him for not seeing the handball, I didn't see it either tbh.
I partly blame the linesman for being too far behind the action and VAR, of course, for coming to completely the wrong conclusion. Incidentally, the game got a bit tetchy after the Henderson incident. It's how referees lose control of games.
The penalty you are right. I didn't think it was a penalty tbh (Silva started falling before any contact is how I saw it on a dodgy stream) but if it wasn't given onfield then VAR wouldn't have corrected, imho. Just protocol I suppose with maybe a shade of levelling up for their earlier mistake.
The offside for their second "goal" was obvious, I think. They couldn't have allowed that to stand. Not sure why it took so long.
I just don't think he is a very good referee and VAR didn't cover themselves in glory.
Btw, on losing control of the game, you could see a sense of injustice with timewasting leading to a few niggly City fouls later on. Credit to Palace for just getting on with it, or it could have turned nasty. Again, not refereeing properly can lead to some tricky stuff. What is worse for a flagship match? Applying the LOtG and having 10v11 and a few bookings for timewasting, or having two teams kicking lumps out of each other at the end?
Same at the end of the first half, 3 minutes added time given, but play stopped over 40 seconds for an injury at the start of that, but ref blew up exactly after 3 minutes!One of the things that hasn't been mentioned is that the ref blew on exactly 100mins despite booking Henderson in added time for time-wasting. It's not like we were going to score but still should've been more added on the clock.
I thought the niggly fouls were mostly the result of KDB and Bernardo being dead on their feet for the last twenty minutes and continually giving away cheap possession, creating the need to prevent Palace breaking quickly.Agree with you that he wasn't deliberately trying to screw us over. I cant blame him for not seeing the handball, I didn't see it either tbh.
I partly blame the linesman for being too far behind the action and VAR, of course, for coming to completely the wrong conclusion. Incidentally, the game got a bit tetchy after the Henderson incident. It's how referees lose control of games.
The penalty you are right. I didn't think it was a penalty tbh (Silva started falling before any contact is how I saw it on a dodgy stream) but if it wasn't given onfield then VAR wouldn't have corrected, imho. Just protocol I suppose with maybe a shade of levelling up for their earlier mistake.
The offside for their second "goal" was obvious, I think. They couldn't have allowed that to stand. Not sure why it took so long.
I just don't think he is a very good referee and VAR didn't cover themselves in glory.
Btw, on losing control of the game, you could see a sense of injustice with timewasting leading to a few niggly City fouls later on. Credit to Palace for just getting on with it, or it could have turned nasty. Again, not refereeing properly can lead to some tricky stuff. What is worse for a flagship match? Applying the LOtG and having 10v11 and a few bookings for timewasting, or having two teams kicking lumps out of each other at the end?
I thought the niggly fouls were mostly the result of KDB and Bernardo being dead on their feet for the last twenty minutes and continually giving away cheap possession, creating the need to prevent Palace breaking quickly.
Same at the end of the first half, 3 minutes added time given, but play stopped over 40 seconds for an injury at the start of that, but ref blew up exactly after 3 minutes!
It also appeared to me Henderson was off his line when the penalty was taken? I have only seen this mentioned by one other. Should the penalty should have been retaken?
Sometimes a team benefits from a ridiculous var decision like Palace yesterday. We still had plenty of time to get back into the match. The fact we were toothless again(Southampton) is symptomatic of our mid-table form this season.We did break down them down & the keeper handled the ball outside the box to stop a goal. The LOTG say red.
Its happened in every round of the cup, where the laws haven’t been applied evenly & it’s bullshit.
Yep. No goals for 245 mins now. Poor.Sometimes a team benefits from a ridiculous var decision like Palace yesterday. We still had plenty of time to get back into the match. The fact we were toothless again(Southampton) is symptomatic of our mid-table form this season.
We did seven fouls and got five bookings! He let things go?I don't know if it is because of how annoyed at City I am but I am quite surprised at how everyone thinks the refs and officials done us over. Obviously the handball is clear as day, 100% and there is no excusing it. The ref and linesman missed it, it is then VAR that has screwed us on that. VAR disallowed a goal for them and the ref also gave a penalty to us. A soft pen but had he not given it then VAR would not have overturned it because of the threshold. The question then is, why would the ref give it in real time if they are going out their way to do us over? None of it make any sense. He didn't manage the time wasting well but still added 10 minutes injury time. If he was trying to do us over why would you add that? There was a blue behind me begging for 5 minutes before the board went up, 10! and rightly so. He obviously was instructed to try not to give cards out where possible, so the time wasting happened but he rectified it by adding the correct amount of added time.
I think he let stuff go for both teams yesterday, Palace fans weren't happy with a number of decisions and strong tackles from us at times. Going back to the original point though, the handball was a disgrace and on VAR
They fucking cheated mate, plain and simple!VAR didn't cover themselves in glory.
With a compliant refereeThey fucking cheated mate, plain and simple!
Assistant VAR was an ex Palace youth team player but nothing to see hear obviously.They fucking cheated mate, plain and simple!
Seriously? It would be unbelievable if it wasn’t so utterly believable. So an ex player in the ear of the var official who is making a key decision on a player from his old team? MentalAssistant VAR was an ex Palace youth team player but nothing to see hear obviously.
VAR was indeed 100% the culprit yesterday for the dreadful decision not to give their keeper a red card.I don't know if it is because of how annoyed at City I am but I am quite surprised at how everyone thinks the refs and officials done us over. Obviously the handball is clear as day, 100% and there is no excusing it. The ref and linesman missed it, it is then VAR that has screwed us on that. VAR disallowed a goal for them and the ref also gave a penalty to us. A soft pen but had he not given it then VAR would not have overturned it because of the threshold. The question then is, why would the ref give it in real time if they are going out their way to do us over? None of it make any sense. He didn't manage the time wasting well but still added 10 minutes injury time. If he was trying to do us over why would you add that? There was a blue behind me begging for 5 minutes before the board went up, 10! and rightly so. He obviously was instructed to try not to give cards out where possible, so the time wasting happened but he rectified it by adding the correct amount of added time.
I think he let stuff go for both teams yesterday, Palace fans weren't happy with a number of decisions and strong tackles from us at times. Going back to the original point though, the handball was a disgrace and on VAR
Attwell is the worst referee of the lot but to be fair to him, he wasn't responsible for the Palace fan in the VAR control room failing to apply the LOTG.Stuart Atwell is both a cheat and incompetent, a truly awful mix for a supposed elite referee
Darren Cann was in the Palace youth team during the Steve Coppel era.Seriously? It would be unbelievable if it wasn’t so utterly believable. So an ex player in the ear of the var official who is making a key decision on a player from his old team? Mental
And not for the first time, this particular referee and VAR colluded to ammend the laws of the game, mid match.With a compliant referee