Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

BolinCell said:
Sometimes a team benefits from a ridiculous var decision like Palace yesterday. We still had plenty of time to get back into the match. The fact we were toothless again(Southampton) is symptomatic of our mid-table form this season.
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When Henderson saved the penalty it gave Palace huge belief that it was going to be their day. Similarly our lads started to doubt. Like it or not teams are effected mentally by big decisions going against.
 
Perhaps there is someone with a knowledge of VAR protocols who can answer a question? According to an "in the know" in the refereeing community VAR can only communicate with the on field referee to confirm a review is taking place (and therefore to stop play as appropriate) and then to advise the on field referee when the var considerations have been completed and whether he/she should just play on or go to the monitor.

In other words VAR and the on field referee do not discuss anything about the incident itself until VAR have finished their deliberations. That seems a bit silly to me as then VAR can't know what the on field referee has or hasn't seen (although VAR do have access to the on field communication equipment).

A second question is whether anyone understands the difference between a "clear and obvious error" and "serious missed incident" in the VAR protocol, and whether the two are treated differently by VAR?
 
Cassandra said:
Perhaps there is someone with a knowledge of VAR protocols who can answer a question? According to an "in the know" in the refereeing community VAR can only communicate with the on field referee to confirm a review is taking place (and therefore to stop play as appropriate) and then to advise the on field referee when the var considerations have been completed and whether he/she

A second question is whether anyone understands the difference between a "clear and obvious error and "serious missed incident" in the VAR protocol, and whether the two are treated differently by VAR?
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It depends who benefits and they'll spin it to suit their own agenda and/or cover up their incompetence.
Without the transparency of being able to listen to the decision making process as is the case with Rugby and cricket, the opportunity for manipulation will be there.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Are we sure? This is what the Oracle, Dale Johnson, says about it:

"In February, Frank Lampard's side were denied a penalty by the VAR, Chris Kavanagh, for a Rodri handball. The score was 1-0 to Manchester City late in the game, meaning Everton were denied the chance to claim a point from the penalty spot. Kavanagh decided other available angles made the evidence inconclusive, but it led to PGMOL, the body that controls refereeing in the Premier League, apologising to Everton for the mistake."
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For one it's wasn't handball there was no concrete evidence and for me it hit to high once the ball stopped it wasn't handball ball!

It also tells you everything how we treated when they get a fucking apology for something that wasn't fucking handball.. we get shafted more than any team in the league weekly!
 
Got back from London 11am and just re watched the game. As someone else mentioned, delaying the re start law seems to have been forgotten. Also at 1 point Chilwell, as a sub, was at least 40 yards. on the pitch. No yellow as dictated under the laws of the game.
Then we have pgmol advising us that it wasn't an "obvious " goalscoring position. Nowhere in the law does it state "obvious ". It only has to be an opportunity.
Tbf I half expected this from the ref who allowed a ghost goal. Imagine now being known for that and then being responsible for probably biggest f**k up in FA cup history because var don't understand the rules.
 
Blueboy73 said:
It depends who benefits and they'll spin it to suit their own agenda and/or cover up their incompetence.
Without the transparency of being able to listen to the decision making process as is the case with Rugby and cricket, the opportunity for manipulation will be there.
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Thanks, I know that’s what actually happens I really wanted to know what the protocols say should happen!
 
MillionMilesAway said:
As handball wasn't given, they didn't go back to the earlier potential offside to check it.
Play stopped for an offside (I think) very soon after the 'handball'.
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That's correct. The ref definitely gave an offside for an incident following the potential handball (which I don't think was clear enough to overturn anyway). That seems to have confused things, as a lot of people believe it meant that VAR signalled it was offside in the build up, which would never have been checked.

The prior potential offside was very, very tight, and may or may not have been given. Absolutely no way we could know if that would have been given.
 
richardtheref said:
Got back from London 11am and just re watched the game. As someone else mentioned, delaying the re start law seems to have been forgotten. Also at 1 point Chilwell, as a sub, was at least 40 yards. on the pitch. No yellow as dictated under the laws of the game.
Then we have pgmol advising us that it wasn't an "obvious " goalscoring position. Nowhere in the law does it state "obvious ". It only has to be an opportunity.
Tbf I half expected this from the ref who allowed a ghost goal. Imagine now being known for that and then being responsible for probably biggest f**k up in FA cup history because var don't understand the rules.
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He won't be arsed.
City got beat so I imagine he'll be quietly chuffed, as will many others within Webb's posse.
 
richardtheref said:
Got back from London 11am and just re watched the game. As someone else mentioned, delaying the re start law seems to have been forgotten. Also at 1 point Chilwell, as a sub, was at least 40 yards. on the pitch. No yellow as dictated under the laws of the game.
Then we have pgmol advising us that it wasn't an "obvious " goalscoring position. Nowhere in the law does it state "obvious ". It only has to be an opportunity.
Tbf I half expected this from the ref who allowed a ghost goal. Imagine now being known for that and then being responsible for probably biggest f**k up in FA cup history because var don't understand the rules.
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An ex Palace youth player was sat in the VAR control room.
When you take this into consideration, was it really because they didn't understand the rules?
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
We did seven fouls and got five bookings! He let things go?
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Yeah, we won the ball quite a few times through the back of their player, which on other days could have been fouls easily. Our yellow cards were 100% justified and a few of the lads on yellows was still having nibbles. They deserved cards for the time wasting.
 
deano ou812 said:
You can look at it like this sometimes incidents happen and they sometimes get overlooked,handball,pen incidents,bad tackles,yes it can happen but is it just a coincidence that City seem to be on the end of these controversial incidents.The keeper should have been off but as mentioned it’s a cup final and they didn’t want to spoil the occasion so by that the rules weren’t applied correctly,in fact weren’t applied at all,clear and organised corruption..
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It makes me laugh how these Mystic Megs know it would've "spoiled the game". It could have worked out as the FA Cup Finals greatest ever rearguard, as plucky Palace win the cup despite being down to 10 men for 70+ minutes. Stuff of Legends. Custers last stand. Lauded through history as Palace overcame the odds. And you know what, us Blues would've shrugged our shoulders and given them the ovation they would deserve. Respect duly given.

I seem to remember another cup game, hailed as one of the greatest ever FA Cup comebacks when a team, can't remember their name, went into half-time 3-0 away from home only to come back in the second half to win 4-3. I might be wrong here, but I'm reasonably sure they also had a player sent off during the half-time break, so did it with 10 men. Was there any conversation about the sending off spoiling the game then? Did anyone think it would've been the the right thing to do to not send their player off, in the interests of the spectacle?

Nah.
 
I wasn’t even aware of the handball until today. I don’t even remember Haaland or anybody else appealing for it. Everyone round me seemed to think they were checking for a possible penalty for Palace.

Aside from that, the one thing that’s started increasingly annoying me is the way every time a player heads the ball, they hit the deck and play stops for a possible head injury.

I don’t even particularly blame the referees. Just a general observation.
 
Blueboy73 said:
Assistant VAR was an ex Palace youth team player but nothing to see hear obviously.
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You couldn’t make it up could you.
Imagine if it was the rags or dippers this had happened to.

There would’ve uproar in all the papers and sky sports news would be all over it.

PIGMOL are as corrupt as the PL
 
willipp said:
We all know Atwell is a useless ****. How the fuck two others can sit and watch it on replay and agree just beggars belief. They literally should be sacked.
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Darren England
Jared Gillette
Michael Salisbury

All Dippers.

Darren Cann.

Ex palace youth player

Shouldn't have anything to do with it...
 
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