How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

threespires said:
Which has also subsequently solidified into a significant majority for "with hindsight we shouldn't have done it".

Irrespective of your actual political position on being in or out, the further away we get from those events, the more insane the entire thing looks.

A badly conceived process revolving around a half arsed question, spawning inane and inadequate campaigns. Then despite a result that required sober reflection and recognition of the challenges, and instead of trying to develop meaningful positions and a proper plan, we continued to barrel down the hill like a drunk after chucking out time, crashing into one bin after another. Until we ended up bruised and bewildered at the bottom.

We are now trying to dust ourselves off and retain some dignity as we limp back to our front door wondering why the hell we decided it was a good idea to get leathered in the first place.

If we could learn from this that our 'mate' egging us on at the bar, wasn't really our mate then maybe there's some long term good but there's no sign yet that we're ready to tell him to do one.
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Anyone still considering reform or Farage after the nonsense of brexit must be a fucking Sub, a pure embarrassment kink.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
They offer absolutely nothing, just moan about migrants and throw in the odd racist tweet.
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I had to laugh at the deputy leader of Reform doing the rounds on BBC and ITN telling the viewers they will immediately rip up what Starmer agreed yesterday. But added nothing to what they would actually do to improve our trading relations with the EU. Then that dickhead Johnson resurfacing calling it a betrayal.

We lost 4% of GDP with Brexit which the likes of Farage and Johnson won’t tell you. These agreements yesterday will only bring a tiny fraction of it back. Why are they telling us we should be afraid of the European court of human rights having some sway within the U.K.? What have the grifters who pushed this idea on us achieved after 2016 and when we actually left the EU in 2020? Nothing, I’ve not been impressed with some of the things Labour have done in the past 10 months since coming to power but this demonstrates a lot more of a sensible approach to brexit from Starmer than the 4 dickhead Tory prime ministers who got us some pretty shitty concessions from Europe and never got near a trade agreement with the USA.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
Johnson continues to be a know nowt - hounded out of office by his own cabinets mass resignation because they could no longer in all conscience lie to cover his fat lazy arse and now see's his last hope of a legacy being exposed for the lies it is

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Anyone rolling out that moronic “two tier” catchphrase wants their head kicking in.

Another conspiracy dog whistle.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I lived there for 42 of my 46 years of life. I am Newton Heath born and bred.
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Bet we've met.....The Copenhagen, The Church, The Phoenix just a few I was often legless in. Loads of pubs around there. (mostly gone now)

Plus often down to Failsworth at the pole. Another fine boozing area. (or was) Mate lived on Lord Lane, lovely area.

Worked with a lad called Mike Holt.....he was nuts but , again, sound as fuck.

I learned what a YONNER was in Newton Heath as the local lads told me they went to Oldham to fight the yonners. (Made me laugh anyway)

We used to play football on ten acres lane (astro turf)

I'm from C on M and Gorton as a kid so my standards may be quite low.
 
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There is nothing stopping Talk Tv's Kev from, when approaching the gate and he sees no queue at the e-gate and a big queue at the non-EU gate, from joining the big queue - he won't of course he will run up to the e-gate to get through quickly

 
mancityvstoke said:
Bet we've met.....The Copenhagen, The Church, The Phoenix just a few I was often legless in. Loads of pubs around there. (mostly gone now)

Plus often down to Failsworth at the pole. Another fine boozing area. (or was) Mate lived on Lord Lane, lovely area.

Worked with a lad called Mike Holt.....he was nuts but , again, sound as fuck.

I learned what a YONNER was in Newton Heath as the local lads told me they went to Oldham to fight the yonners. (Made me laugh anyway)

We used to play football on ten acres lane (astro turf)

I'm from C on M and Gorton as a kid so my standards may be quite low.
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Chorlton on medlock is quite posh isn’t it ?
 
Sometimes I get the impression a lot of people are still cross about that vote in 2016 going the wrong way. Next year will be 2026 - a while decade of being cross on the internet and on average we only live for just over 7.5 decades. True dedication - maybe we should have a nother referendum.
 
bluethrunthru said:
There is nothing stopping Talk Tv's Kev from, when approaching the gate and he sees no queue at the e-gate and a big queue at the non-EU gate, from joining the big queue - he won't of course he will run up to the e-gate to get through quickly

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What an absolute fucking loser.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Sometimes I get the impression a lot of people are still cross about that vote in 2016 going the wrong way. Next year will be 2026 - a while decade of being cross on the internet and on average we only live for just over 7.5 decades. True dedication - maybe we should have a nother referendum.
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The war of the roses is still a touchy subject, so don't expect the brexit vote result to go awaý any time soon.










P.S. also don't mention muffin or barm.......
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
I had to laugh at the deputy leader of Reform doing the rounds on BBC and ITN telling the viewers they will immediately rip up what Starmer agreed yesterday. But added nothing to what they would actually do to improve our trading relations with the EU. Then that dickhead Johnson resurfacing calling it a betrayal.

We lost 4% of GDP with Brexit which the likes of Farage and Johnson won’t tell you. These agreements yesterday will only bring a tiny fraction of it back. Why are they telling us we should be afraid of the European court of human rights having some sway within the U.K.? What have the grifters who pushed this idea on us achieved after 2016 and when we actually left the EU in 2020? Nothing, I’ve not been impressed with some of the things Labour have done in the past 10 months since coming to power but this demonstrates a lot more of a sensible approach to brexit from Starmer than the 4 dickhead Tory prime ministers who got us some pretty shitty concessions from Europe and never got near a trade agreement with the USA.
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4 % ? Be careful. Big Joe will be after you to tell you it's just your opinion.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Sometimes I get the impression a lot of people are still cross about that vote in 2016 going the wrong way. Next year will be 2026 - a while decade of being cross on the internet and on average we only live for just over 7.5 decades. True dedication - maybe we should have a nother referendum.
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Yes. It was a divisive point in our history - literally as it divided our own Union with NI remaining under EU economic jurisdiction. The rest of the UK will spend years trying to define its relationship with the EU - far more so than if we had remained. It will be wasted effort as economic gravity and geography will ultimately decide, but for a large section of the population, and the media, Brexit will remain their article of faith. Brexit, like Trumpism, is a cult, immune to logic or economic reality.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yes. It was a divisive point in our history - literally as it divided our own Union with NI remaining under EU economic jurisdiction. The rest of the UK will spend years trying to define its relationship with the EU - far more so than if we had remained. It will be wasted effort as economic gravity and geography will ultimately decide, but for a large section of the population, and the media, Brexit will remain their article of faith. Brexit, like Trumpism, is a cult, immune to logic or economic reality.
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It has to be a cult in order to explain its existence. All the pitfalls and downsides were explained at length prior to the vote with nothing of any substance offered as a response in its support. Moreover just about everything that was offered has turned out to be lies.

What I will never understand is why certain strongholds exist. I get Kent - its nearer to France than I am to a John Lewis store so the concerns of those living there I get. What gives with the Midlands and the North East though? One place land locked the other place ( and I know because I live there ) has a tiny %age of people born outside the UK living there. And not all of them will be brown skinned. I suppose the simple fact was that it was never really about Brexit it was about being left behind and the impact of a decade of a government cutting everything - people becoming worse off and an element of rising personal debt and a feeling of insecurity so Brexit was seen back in 2016 as the chance to poke the establishment in the eye and that urge overtook so many voters
 
bluethrunthru said:
It has to be a cult in order to explain its existence. All the pitfalls and downsides were explained at length prior to the vote with nothing of any substance offered as a response in its support. Moreover just about everything that was offered has turned out to be lies.

What I will never understand is why certain strongholds exist. I get Kent - its nearer to France than I am to a John Lewis store so the concerns of those living there I get. What gives with the Midlands and the North East though? One place land locked the other place ( and I know because I live there ) has a tiny %age of people born outside the UK living there. And not all of them will be brown skinned. I suppose the simple fact was that it was never really about Brexit it was about being left behind and the impact of a decade of a government cutting everything - people becoming worse off and an element of rising personal debt and a feeling of insecurity so Brexit was seen back in 2016 as the chance to poke the establishment in the eye and that urge overtook so many voters
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It's a complete disconnect. EU workers on seasonal contracts picking crops (or packing fish), keeping farming and fishing viable so English people in the area can do the better paid jobs like farm machinery maintenance. The Darling Buds of May days with your average Cockney taking a hop-pickers special train into Kent are long gone.

The EU targeted funding at deprived areas. The Tories (with LibDem assent in coalition) had already abolished the regional development agencies that disbursed that funding well before Brexit, and that compounded that "left behind" feeling.

It's astonishing that people still think the EU was to blame. And would vote for the people who told them it was.
 
Vic said:
The Darling Buds of May days with your average Cockney taking a hop-pickers special train into Kent are long gone.
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That however was the target landing date for Brexiters - plus warm beer, hot days and mild racism
 
A very interesting description on LBC of how us leaving the EU led us to not being supported at the UN with regards to the Chagos Islands. Brexit was effectively directly responsible for the UK actually having no option but to enter in the agreement over the territory.
 
hampshireblue said:
A very interesting description on LBC of how us leaving the EU led us to not being supported at the UN with regards to the Chagos Islands. Brexit was effectively directly responsible for the UK actually having no option but to enter in the agreement over the territory.
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The situation is a complex one and if you listen to certain elements of the political and media fraternity, you’d think that it is a simple decision of the current government giving up sovereignty, whereas the reality is somewhat different.

Simple solutions for simple people, anybody would think that there’s not a big, wide world out there.
 
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