Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

Under which LOTG should the referee play on if he sees an infringement and sees no advantage to the team fouled?
No, but Micah Richards and Gary Lineker said the ref should play on after a found just in case it isn't one and MotD had primacy over the laws for the common man.

The daft thing was even it it was VAR'd and they ref had delayed blowing a for a few seconds it isn't a clear and obvious error as control is subjective and he may have just controlled the ball that instant after the initial fumble.
 
Under which LOTG should the referee play on if he sees an infringement and sees no advantage to the team fouled?
I don't believe that he did actually break any law of the game. I was simply saying he was at fault for not letting things develop and then allow use of VAR. Similar to how linesmen allow a marginal offside to run its course if there is a chance of a goal. That's not a law as far as I know. I believe its an advisory thing to prevent this sort of mistake. It was clearly a goal scoring opportunity. If he had delayed , and then blown for a foul as he saw it after the goal then all options were still available. Blowing the whistle took the award of a goal off the table.
 
I'm not sure that he did actually break any law of the game. I was simply saying he was at fault for not letting things develop and then allow use of VAR. Similar to how linesmen allow a marginal offside to run its course if there is a chance of a goal. That's not a law as far as I know. I believe its an advisory thing to prevent this sort of mistake. It was clearly a goal scoring opportunity. If he had delayed , and then blown for a foul as he saw it after the goal then all options were still available. Blowing the whistle took the award of a goal off the table.

Yes. Fair enough. The IFAB VAR protocol actually refers to this:

"Delaying the flag/whistle for an offence is only permissible in a very clear attacking situation when a player is about to score a goal or has a clear run into/towards the opponents’ penalty area"

So it's presumably up to the referee if he delays the whistle or not. I suppose the referee thought he had a clear view of the incident.

I am not really that bothered, tbh. If it was a mistake, Villa can't really blame the referee for the two goals they let in and the red card for Martinez. Shit happens.

In the same way I wasn't bothered by the onfield officials getting the Henderson incident wrong. We didn't lose the Cup final because of it. We just didn't take any of the other chances. Gillett as VAR, on the other hand was a complete ****. How he could get it wrong with all his freeze frame, slow motion camera angles is still a mystery to me.
 
"Delaying the flag/whistle for an offence is only permissible in a very clear attacking situation when a player is about to score a goal or has a clear run into/towards the opponents’ penalty area"
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. Cheers.

And as you say. I couldn't care less about the result either. I was only trying to explain to the posters question about why VAR could not become involved.
 
Yes. Fair enough. The IFAB VAR protocol actually refers to this:

"Delaying the flag/whistle for an offence is only permissible in a very clear attacking situation when a player is about to score a goal or has a clear run into/towards the opponents’ penalty area"

So it's presumably up to the referee if he delays the whistle or not. I suppose the referee thought he had a clear view of the incident.

I am not really that bothered, tbh. If it was a mistake, Villa can't really blame the referee for the two goals they let in and the red card for Martinez. Shit happens.

In the same way I wasn't bothered by the onfield officials getting the Henderson incident wrong. We didn't lose the Cup final because of it. We just didn't take any of the other chances. Gillett as VAR, on the other hand was a complete ****. How he could get it wrong with all his freeze frame, slow motion camera angles is still a mystery to me.
You must be the only blue who thinks the decision of Gillett is a mystery. To me and many blues there is no mystery. It is quite simply game management achieved through corruption then explained away by moving mirrors and gaslighting. Unless of course you were being sarcasic and cheeky;-)
 
Can't disagree with you there. But as it stands the ref was at fault for blowing too soon and on this occasion VAR were powerless to intervene.
They wasn't powerless to intervene on the sending off though. They should of told the ref the ball was clearly moving away from the goal.
 
Yes. Fair enough. The IFAB VAR protocol actually refers to this:

"Delaying the flag/whistle for an offence is only permissible in a very clear attacking situation when a player is about to score a goal or has a clear run into/towards the opponents’ penalty area"

So it's presumably up to the referee if he delays the whistle or not. I suppose the referee thought he had a clear view of the incident.

I am not really that bothered, tbh. If it was a mistake, Villa can't really blame the referee for the two goals they let in and the red card for Martinez. Shit happens.

In the same way I wasn't bothered by the onfield officials getting the Henderson incident wrong. We didn't lose the Cup final because of it. We just didn't take any of the other chances. Gillett as VAR, on the other hand was a complete ****. How he could get it wrong with all his freeze frame, slow motion camera angles is still a mystery to me.
It should help stop the narrative about PGMOL/PL being out to ‘get city’ (and Newcastle, for that matter) though, given the only way either of them could not qualify for the CL was Villa not losing……
 
They wasn't powerless to intervene on the sending off though. They should of told the ref the ball was clearly moving away from the goal.
Personally I believe they got that decision correct. It was ours in the cup final they got horribly wrong, whether that be by mistake or design.
 
VAR should be able to be used when there has made a mistake, irrespective of whether he had blown or not
I agree in principal but it would be a mare to manage.

Playing devil's advocate. What if some players stop when the whistle goes and some don't that then leads to a goal, not one which would necessarily have occurred had everyone stopped ? And its found that the ref was incorrect to have blown originally. Does that stand ?

Play to the whistle goes out of the window. If the ref blows to stop the game do players just carry on in case he's wrong and they can gain from it ? I think if you said to players that the whistle does not necessarily lead to the ball being dead there is more chance of injury like the lad at Forrest and Stones/ Ederson for us a few seasons ago from what were obvious offsides. Imagine a goalmouth scramble where the ref blows but players carry on kicking out in case he got the original stop in play wrong,

Either the ball is dead after the whistle or its not. It can't be dead sometimes and not at others. Its not perfect but is probably the best we will get.
 
But the ref stops play every time he awards a goal using his whistle.
The play is stopped by the ball crossing the goal line and entering the net the ref points to centre spot and whistles to confirm the goal

In the Villa incident he stop play to award a FK before the goal was scored it could be argued that rags stopped playing on the whistle This has always been the case
 
Holjund flicks past the keeper and ball going towards corner flag, aka AWAY from goal. then it doesnt matter if Martinez blocks him and takes him out.
sounds stupid right?

well similar was the explanation for Henderson hand ball. utter nonsense decision in the final and its completely forgotten also because Pep and players didnt raise this at all.
 
I agree in principal but it would be a mare to manage.

Playing devil's advocate. What if some players stop when the whistle goes and some don't that then leads to a goal, not one which would necessarily have occurred had everyone stopped ? And its found that the ref was incorrect to have blown originally. Does that stand ?

Play to the whistle goes out of the window. If the ref blows to stop the game do players just carry on in case he's wrong and they can gain from it ? I think if you said to players that the whistle does not necessarily lead to the ball being dead there is more chance of injury like the lad at Forrest and Stones/ Ederson for us a few seasons ago from what were obvious offsides. Imagine a goalmouth scramble where the ref blows but players carry on kicking out in case he got the original stop in play wrong,

Either the ball is dead after the whistle or its not. It can't be dead sometimes and not at others. Its not perfect but is probably the best we will get.
But we had seen several goals awarded after a lineseman has flagged, ref blown, ball goes in the net, they review that it wasn't offside and the goal given. Despite players stopping etc. We have allowed all common sense to leave us when making any decisions. Villas goal doesn't fall into the category and example you are providing of any type of chaos. The whistle being blown has no impact on the outcome. In a case like that then there should be a level of trust in the officials to say it wasn't a foul, blowing the whistle had no impact, goal given. The end. The right decision is made, they hide behind mini loop holes of the whistle had gone etc. It is another example of VAR just being pointless, that this week, our handball the week before couldn't be any more clear and obvious errors by the on field officials. Yet the decisions still stand. Fucking madness
 
But we had seen several goals awarded after a lineseman has flagged, ref blown, ball goes in the net, they review that it wasn't offside and the goal given.
Not trying to be argumentative but we have never seen any instance where a goal has been awarded when the ball goes in the net after the whistle has been blown, in any scenario. The ball is dead, as in the villa game.

We have seen goals where the linesman keeps his flag down so there is no whistle from the ref. A team scores, the ref gives a goal and then the linesman raises the flag for offside. The ref gives offside. That is then changed on review by VAR and the goal given. It is given as it was all still in play and live, as the whistle had not gone.

Villas goal doesn't fall into the category and example you are providing of any type of chaos.

No, I realise that. That's why I said I was playing Devil's advocate. I was just giving hypothetical examples of scenarios that could crop up to illustrate how difficult it would be if the ball was only dead some of the time afterthe ref blows the whistle rather than all the time

It is another example of VAR just being pointless, that this week, our handball the week before couldn't be any more clear and obvious errors by the on field officials. Yet the decisions still stand. Fucking madness

Absolutely.
 
I see they’ve clarified. ( Although I’d say more changed than clarified ) the rule on an accidental double touch on a penalty, after the Alvarez incident.

It’s now a re-take, rather than a miss.

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