Incident at Liverpool Title Parade May 26th

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bert38 said:
I'm sorry, but this is just another sweeping statment that somehow every officer who is in the merseyside police is a clone-stick this badge on and repeat the same line..the incident you refer to was 13 years ago-so very few left in the force now for starters. I'd also add that the fatality you allude to would also have been dealt with by the police who wouldve been met with an awful scene and the same police who then had to inform the family of that person..

Mistakes may have been made last night-but at this point nobody outside of those making the decisions will know-from the footage i have seen the police acted bravely and quickly to prevent a public lynching and rushing to the aid of several victims.
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This is a force management and organisational issue. Not down to individual officers who were put in an impossible situation.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
And who can blame them? What would be their first thought about what was going on? I know if I was in that situation my instinct, sadly in this world now, would be to tell me this is an attack from someone using their car as a vehicle. The crowds instinct is to get the driver out as soon as possible so not to continue the attack they thought was happening.
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Me, I can blame them. There are videos prior where he is navigating slowly and at worst beeped his horn. If a horn beeb is enough to kick fuck out of a car then we won't agree. If kicking fuck out of car is enough to then put your foot down in a crowded in area then you have issues and I think everyone can agree that isn't what the driver should have done. You cannot be in their head though, if he should have been there or not he didn't leave the house to run people over, he found himself in a position and probably petrified himself with nobody on the road remotely arsed about getting out of the way to let him and other cars through. There wasn't an attack happening initially, it was a driver slowly and probably impatiently trying to go through a crowded road. The road was probably open as the driver wasn't alone which means pedestrians are walking on an open road. If I walked in the middle of the road now I'd be at fault.

It shows the thoughts of the mob there as even with people under the car desperate for help, they are all trying to fight the police and get to the driver. That sums it up. Help the poor bastards ffs
 
BlueHammer85 said:
You may aswell close down every public event, unless you lay miles and miles of concrete bollards anyone can get in a car and plough into a crowd of people sadly.
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My mates got an incredibly successful business hiring temporary fencing, bollards etc
 
bert38 said:
There are hundreds of people around that car at that point

One might expect people celebrating wouldn’t behave in that manner to begin with.
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Yes.

It does beg the question, why Liverpool?

There have been celebratory bus parades all across Europe in the past few days with thousands of football fans gathered in their respective towns and cities without incident.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Me, I can blame them. There are videos prior where he is navigating slowly and at worst beeped his horn. If a horn beeb is enough to kick fuck out of a car then we won't agree. If kicking fuck out of car is enough to then put your foot down in a crowded in area then you have issues and I think everyone can agree that isn't what the driver should have done. You cannot be in their head though, if he should have been there or not he didn't leave the house to run people over, he found himself in a position and probably petrified himself with nobody on the road remotely arsed about getting out of the way to let him and other cars through. There wasn't an attack happening initially, it was a driver slowly and probably impatiently trying to go through a crowded road. The road was probably open as the driver wasn't alone which means pedestrians are walking on an open road. If I walked in the middle of the road now I'd be at fault.

It shows the thoughts of the mob there as even with people under the car desperate for help, they are all trying to fight the police and get to the driver. That sums it up. Help the poor bastards ffs
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There’s so many different ways of looking at this. Not everyone who witnessed the later part when it went proper pear-shaped would’ve witnessed the start of the incident before it escalated out of control. Some of those fans would’ve only witnessed the car veering into a crowd of people and desperately trying to get themselves and/or friends/family out the way and wondering what the fuck was going on and whether it was a terrorist attack. They don’t have the benefit in real time of seeing all the various bits of footage that we have. It’s easy for us all to pass judgement when we weren’t there in the thick of it.
 
M18CTID said:
There’s so many different ways of looking at this. Not everyone who witnessed the later part when it went proper pear-shaped would’ve witnessed the start of the incident before it escalated out of control. Some of those fans would’ve only witnessed the car veering into a crowd of people and desperately trying to get themselves and/or friends/family out the way and wondering what the fuck was going on and whether it was a terrorist attack. They don’t have the benefit in real time of seeing all the various bits of footage that we have. It’s easy for us all to pass judgement when we weren’t there in the thick of it.
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Correct, yet judgement is being passed on every angle by all and of course we are all going to speculate.
 
Now emergency services have confirmed no fatalities we should now just hope the casualties
can recover from their physical injuries to their best ability, in the shortest possible time frame and hope that ongoing support can help them
in the future with any/all potential psychological issues. In time, we will all become much better aware of the timeline and events that occurred, some of which may not be clear or obvious now.
We should all take time out to thank all those who contributed in helping the people in need
yesterday, however/whatever events proceeded it.
 
M18CTID said:
For as long as I can remember, Liverpool have done parades like that - starting in the suburbs and heading into the city centre. Indeed, I remember a Liverpool fan online once and instead of indulging in the usual childish banter about parade numbers, he said he couldn’t understand why City don’t do something similar rather than confining it to a much smaller route in the city centre.
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Manchester is a different urban density than Liverpool, when you're going in to Liverpool you hit the suburbs and then suddenly you're in the city centre.
With Manchester there aren't really suburbs in the same way that don't involve other neighbouring councils, Bury, Cheshire, Salford, Tameside, etc so the only way to really do it would involve closing off some major roads in various areas. Stockport Road would be the obvious one coming in to town from the south but this is the busiest bus corridor in Europe so would have huge issues across the whole of Manchester.
It's better just to close off the city centre and have people travel in who want to go rather than disrupt the entire city and neighbouring councils
 
M18CTID said:
I don’t disagree. I’m guilty of it too but I think it’s fair to say that a lot of fans who were there won’t have seen the full incident from start to finish.
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They won't and it goes back to my first posts about it and how it was an avoidable mess and gut wrenchingly escalated needlessly by all involved.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
It’s on Dale Street, a one way road, which runs into Water Street where they eventually drove into the crowd - 100 yds maybe. There are lots of tight and narrow side streets that run into Dale Street including NCP type car parks and I’m not sure if all of Dale Street would have been cordoned off, looking at the parade route map, as you could easily navigate through the city around there without meeting the route.

It’s a tricky two lane road at normal times, cars often enter Dale St from the side roads and need to navigate the two lanes quickly before turning left within a few yards. Quite a few bars and traditional pubs around there as well.
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Maybe i'm wrong, but that road looks quite far from the parade route. Assuming this was just people leaving the parade then, going towards wherever travel is or just going to celebrate by the pier side? In that case there's probably nothing abnormal for traffic being there. Just all mad tbh.
 
Eds said:
Just seen this video

Was the road open to cars and people were just blocking the way? Looks like a few people didn't like the fact a car was there and started booting / punching the car. Car driver probably panicked and when his back window was put in possibly feared for his safety. Looked a feral mob and why the guy with the rucksack chased the car and further inflamed the situation is anyone's guess. There should be a few more arrested although I suspect it won't happen. Looks like an unfortunate situation that got out of hand.
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Without being there it’s hard to know but looks like he realised he’d gone wrong way maybe following car in front, instead of stopping there tried reversing and a few idiots started booting his car he’s then lost the plot. Sad situation all round.
 
west didsblue said:
Looking like it’s a case of innocent fans being injured because a few of their feral supporters behaved like absolute dicks, and that includes the driver and the bellends who were attacking his car before it happened.
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Have to agree. clearly the driver lacked common sense. Whether the road was officially closed or not, there was clearly huge celebrations going on near a parade and cars weren't passing through. A bit of common sense would tell you not to drive through.

Then you have got an angry mob braying on his car, this is before he's ploughed into people. Surely they didn't need to act violently and just let the bloke know to either pass through carefully or turn back. They've absolutely contributed to making a situation out of something that could be sorted and attacked his car instead.

And back to the driver. No doubt a mob battering your car is a scary situation but flooring it through a crowd even in a state of panic is utter madness.

He absolutely deserves banging up for it but he's not solely to blame for his the situation escalated. I'm sure he'll be the only one to pay though.
 
surprisedbygrass said:
Sadly it's a predictable reaction to threat . Once adrenalin floods the system it's freeze , fight or flight . We can all see what adrenaline did to this driver . Thinking doesn't come into it as adrenalin shuts logic off . All of us like to think we know how we'd react hypothetically and I expect the driver thought he was being rational until that potent hormone kicked in . We will probably never know if he was in fight or flight mode when he put his foot down . An absolute tragedy . Let's hope those injured make a speedy and full recovery and those who witnessed it are helped to process what that experienced . Life-changing for so many .
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While we don't know anything for sure yet, this was possibly a tragic reaction to a perceived threat, rather than a deliberate one. At least I hope it was, although that's little consolation to those impacted.

It does bear comparison to the coach incident I think, as I thought at the time that had the coach driver panicked, he could have swerved into the crowd. Fortunately he didn't.
 
shevtheblue said:
Maybe i'm wrong, but that road looks quite far from the parade route. Assuming this was just people leaving the parade then, going towards wherever travel is or just going to celebrate by the pier side? In that case there's probably nothing abnormal for traffic being there. Just all mad tbh.
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It's not. It's adjacent to the strand, which is the end of the parade.

When the parade finished people would have left the Strand via Water Street.(and other streets)

It's like us leaving Deansgate and walking up John Dalton Street.(and other streets)

Water Street obviously wasn't blocked off to traffic at the point of the day.
 
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