Incident at Liverpool Title Parade May 26th

[Gaylord du Bois]

How long before we find out it was a 53 year old white Chelsea fan ?

 

[Mancity1980]

Clearly, and thankfully nowhere near the same level but it brought back memories of the 2 soldiers killed over here in 1988 at Milltown Cemetary

It shows how quickly a mob can turn...and if there was the fear of a potential terrorist attack...

I hadn’t heard of that event. Just wilkipedia-ed it, shocking. I can see why it trigger that memory.

 

[standupifyouhatemanu]

Me, I can blame them. There are videos prior where he is navigating slowly and at worst beeped his horn. If a horn beeb is enough to kick fuck out of a car then we won't agree. If kicking fuck out of car is enough to then put your foot down in a crowded in area then you have issues and I think everyone can agree that isn't what the driver should have done. You cannot be in their head though, if he should have been there or not he didn't leave the house to run people over, he found himself in a position and probably petrified himself with nobody on the road remotely arsed about getting out of the way to let him and other cars through. There wasn't an attack happening initially, it was a driver slowly and probably impatiently trying to go through a crowded road. The road was probably open as the driver wasn't alone which means pedestrians are walking on an open road. If I walked in the middle of the road now I'd be at fault.

It shows the thoughts of the mob there as even with people under the car desperate for help, they are all trying to fight the police and get to the driver. That sums it up. Help the poor bastards ffs

Most sensible post I've read

 

[cheekybids]

I’m sure the people of Liverpool are doing just that, but this will be reported on for some time yet, given the severity of it, the occasion and how nobody bar the driver knows what happened. It’s news.

Its news yes but that’s well over the top.

 

[kippax_blueboy]

No one charged yet. I thought he would be in court this morning. Must be more complex than it looks on the surface. 6 or so more hours to charge the 53 year old or request a senior officer to extend to 36 hours.

 

[cleavers]

There was also the crush outside the away turnstiles on Anfield Road when we played the second leg of the League Cup semi-final in 2012. A combination of some turnstiles failing to work and thousands of City fans arriving at roughly the same time close to kick-off time led to a potentially dangerous situation developing.

There were kids near the turnstiles getting crushed, I remember saying to a policeman about it, and he said "what do you want me to do", whilst I and others were trying to prevent the kids getting trampled.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Its news yes but that’s well over the top.

I’m sure to the 50 victims and that city in general, it’s comforting to know that people are thinking of them. If it was me or a member of my family, I sure would be comforted. Must be a horrible experience to have witnessed that, let alone be a victim of it

 

[BringBackSwales]

I think the people who attacked his car are potentially accessories to this situation. Not caught up this morning but there’s a potential here that someone inadvertently drove somewhere he shouldn’t, and whatever the reason a lynch mob seemed to be attacking his car and he may have good good reason to think that the mob were going to attack him. He may have fled in terror, he may have been distracted by someone trying to get into his car, he may have got his foot caught on the accelerator peddle, but let’s not judge before we know, and let’s not underestimate the potential impact of mob law. Of course he might just be a stupid **** and should get what he deserves if he did this deliberately

 

[cheekybids]

I’m sure to the 50 victims and that city in general, it’s comforting to know that people are thinking of them. If it was me or a member of my family, I sure would be comforted. Must be a horrible experience to have witnessed that, let alone be a victim of it

I’d be thinking it’s opportunistic but maybe I’m cynical.

 

[Mancity1980]

Me, I can blame them. There are videos prior where he is navigating slowly and at worst beeped his horn. If a horn beeb is enough to kick fuck out of a car then we won't agree. If kicking fuck out of car is enough to then put your foot down in a crowded in area then you have issues and I think everyone can agree that isn't what the driver should have done. You cannot be in their head though, if he should have been there or not he didn't leave the house to run people over, he found himself in a position and probably petrified himself with nobody on the road remotely arsed about getting out of the way to let him and other cars through. There wasn't an attack happening initially, it was a driver slowly and probably impatiently trying to go through a crowded road. The road was probably open as the driver wasn't alone which means pedestrians are walking on an open road. If I walked in the middle of the road now I'd be at fault.

It shows the thoughts of the mob there as even with people under the car desperate for help, they are all trying to fight the police and get to the driver. That sums it up. Help the poor bastards ffs

Well put, the main factor to be drawn from your post is there is something seriously wrong with the thought processing by many in this situation.

 

[west didsblue]

How long before we find out it was a 53 year old white Chelsea fan ?

The one item of information that won’t be released is the football allegiance of the driver. If it’s a Liverpool fan it will make it more difficult for the whole fanbase to see themselves as victims which is what they specialise in. If it’s an Everton fan or a fan of another club some of their ferals will see it as justification for some vigilante action like trying to set fire to the new Everton stadium or something so I doubt we’ll find out any time soon.

 

[shevtheblue]

It's not. It's adjacent to the strand, which is the end of the parade.

When the parade finished people would have left the Strand via Water Street.(and other streets)

It's like us leaving Deansgate and walking up John Dalton Street.(and other streets)

Water Street obviously wasn't blocked off to traffic at the point of the day.

INSANE if true. Obviously we know how fucking useless them cunts are, but govt enquiry needed into Merseyside and council imo.

 

[ysmsa]

There were people fighting the police to get to him. That wasn’t out of concern for anything other than retribution. I can understand people feeling like that but once the police were surrounding it and controlling the situation I would have hoped that the emergency services would be left to get on with their jobs and helped as much as possible. There were still people under the car FFS.

From what I saw there were a couple of officers and they would have been as much in the dark as the public.

It's a natural reaction to disable a fuckwit. The reactions of some of those who were there and had witnessed the carnage is the least of the concerns.

 

[Tbilisi]

There were kids near the turnstiles getting crushed, I remember saying to a policeman about it, and he said "what do you want me to do", whilst I and others were trying to prevent the kids getting trampled.

I lived in Liverpool in the 80s for 5 years and coppers would visit a guy they knew at the site for a brew.
Some of the stuff I heard them say was mind blowing, they were absolute thugs.

 

[cleavers]

If an incident was going to happen anywhere in the world unfortunately it had to be here.

A similar incident happened about 3 weeks ago in Spain at a Barca game, car caught in a crowd ended up hitting pedestrians, so not unique to this location.

I've seen City fans in cars, get angry with City fans on foot, driving badly at people in the way, and people banging on their vehicles a few times leaving the Etihad. I expect it's one of the reasons that most of Ashton New Road is basically bus only now.

There's often incidents at the crossroads at the top of Merrill St near the school, when the lights are on green, and people just keep walking in the road, obstructing the cars, not all drivers are football fans, and some get angry by being obstructed so keep going, and then pedestrians bang on their vehicle, easy to see how that could escalate, but nobody could justify what this idiot did, it's no "accident" for sure.

 

[Silva2021]

I hate to say it but it looks preventable.

Liverpool have an amazing and large fanbase, who came from all over the world to celebrate. We may call them but they do have some great, passionate fans.

Ones who want to sing, cheer, enjoy the day with their kids etc. and why not (we’ve done it enough time and all my Liverpool fan friends who went, I messaged all saying hope you have a great day).

They also have an element who are absolute scum from fake tickets to throwing pint pots etc. we know and sometimes in focusing on them we forget that it is not the norm (I have seen City fans who are knobheads too, but for volume it’s hard to find another club to compare).6

There was issues after they last won the league and whilst I don’t like to say it, I did say there would be trouble yesterday, I was thinking criminal damage, fighting with police (fireworks at the Liver building etc.).

I don’t like to use the word as it is used as an insult to Liverpool fans but they are genuine victims yesterday and it’s lucky we’re not seeing faces of kids and adults today who have lost their life (it looked and sounded that way).

May still be life changing injuries for some including children, so still an awful situation.

The issue I have and maybe the wrong place and time to speak it, is the decent fans protect the scum fans and refuse to blame them. Whether this is ingrained due to the injustice of Hillsborough or because other fans use it against them. It has lead to a behaviour amongst that club where certain behaviour seems to be tolerated.

I am not saying it caused yesterday and only the driver really knows what happens, but it doesn’t look like he was there to inflict maximum damage, it looks like an escalation from an incident.

If this is the case I hope their fans turn on their own who contributed and don’t protect them, as they do have a fantastic fan base and if they lost that element, they would be the envy of many clubs.

 

[AFCAndy]

No one charged yet. I thought he would be in court this morning. Must be more complex than it looks on the surface. 6 or so more hours to charge the 53 year old or request a senior officer to extend to 36 hours.

CPS are underfunded. These days you tend to get a bail back, ie released and called back to the station, before charges. Although you'd imagine they'll fast track this one.

Remember the Pakistani lads who beat up police officers at Manchester Airport? That took a long time to see charges put on them.

 

[bert38]

No one charged yet. I thought he would be in court this morning. Must be more complex than it looks on the surface. 6 or so more hours to charge the 53 year old or request a senior officer to extend to 36 hours.

It aint Corrie where crimes are solved over the ad break

Lets imagine he was arrested at 6.30? Taken to custody and booked in-that takes us to 8pm at the earliest-then prob seen by health care professional and perhaps speaks to a solicitor..that all supposes he wasn't injured in the incident/melee afterwards in which case he could've been taken to hospital...

Police would've looked to get searches authorised and samples (toxicolgy)..he may need an appropriate adult-all takes time. He may need a mental health assessment.

major incident room established-counter terrosim liasion, intelligence checks, SIO appointed and investigation team tasked..

That could take us to 10/11pm -at that point the detainee must have a rest period of at least 8 hours free from interview etc unless in urgent circumstances (which may apply)..

Nonetheless I doubt they will interview him untl this afternoon-and yes an extension is v likely and poss after that an extension from the magistrates.

 

[Rolo]

I just don't understand the mentality to start kicking the fuck out of a car just because it took a wrong turn? Just why?

 

[cleavers]

I lived in Liverpool in the 80s for 5 years and coppers would visit a guy they knew at the site for a brew.
Some of the stuff I heard them say was mind blowing, they were absolute thugs.

I don't think that is unique to merseyside police to be honest.