You don’t know that to be the case. Just because the footage shows something like that, nobody knows what went on prior to that footage. Maybe further footage will be released to the portal they’ve set up, not on socials.I just don't understand the mentality to start kicking the fuck out of a car just because it took a wrong turn? Just why?
If someone reversed into me or a family member or friend I’d be absolutely livid. Attacking the vehicle is not the same as using that vehicle as a weapon. Cars can be fixed, people can’t.I think the people who attacked his car are potentially accessories to this situation. Not caught up this morning but there’s a potential here that someone inadvertently drove somewhere he shouldn’t, and whatever the reason a lynch mob seemed to be attacking his car and he may have good good reason to think that the mob were going to attack him. He may have fled in terror, he may have been distracted by someone trying to get into his car, he may have got his foot caught on the accelerator peddle, but let’s not judge before we know, and let’s not underestimate the potential impact of mob law. Of course he might just be a stupid **** and should get what he deserves if he did this deliberately
The incident happened at around 6pm as the parade ( Which started sometime after 2pm ) was ending, which probably explains why hundreds are walking in the road as the police/stewards start removing barriers and opening them up again. In another video I've seen you can see barriers stacked up.
It looks like the car has somehow ended up amongst the crowd, probably by thinking, "Oh the roads open I'll cut through here" then realising he's fucked up as he's in the middle of hundreds of people. He starts beeping his horn to move them and people get angry thinking "What the fuck is he doing driving here?" He starts trying to nudge them out of the way increasing their anger and also his frustration and anger. As he bumps people they start attacking the car, one person opens his door. One man behind him is especially angry trying to kick his back window in. The driver reversed into him pushing him back. He then picks something up and throws it, probably smashing his rear window ( Visible in later pictures as the car is stopped. )
It escalated very badly from there.
I hope the casualties don’t have too severe injuries. The driver better hope for that too.
That's very true to be fair, a lot could have happened before that recording happened.You don’t know that to be the case. Just because the footage shows something like that, nobody knows what went on prior to that footage. Maybe further footage will be released to the portal they’ve set up, not on socials.
This sums it all up exactly for meA load of bellends attack a car and then it looks like the driver panicked and tried to get away. People were putting his windows in and trying to open his doors. It's mental to try and accelerate away with the street being as crowded as it was, but in that situation most people aren't going to be in a normal state of mind. He may have lost control of the car in his haste to get away from the mob. He's fucked though now.
The result is a load of people have injuries, some seriously. Thoughts go out to those affected.
The people attacking the car at the start are complicit in this and should be arrested also, this will probably get played down though.
It’s the aftermath of that which I can’t get my head round, nor will I be accepting any kind of excuses for. That video that shows the initial burst of acceleration, sending about 10 people flying would be a reaction of someone scared for their life, but to then carry on, and actually turn into a space crowded with people, well that isn’t the action of being scared. Each time I see it, it just gets worse and worse.That's very true to be fair, a lot could have happened before that recording happened.
He is reversing slowly and the woman walks across him, like many others not looking or caring that a moving vehicle is trying to navigate through. If you think kicking fuck out of a car, smashing it up because somebody reversed slowly is ok then I am not sure what to say.If someone reversed into me or a family member or friend I’d be absolutely livid. Attacking the vehicle is not the same as using that vehicle as a weapon. Cars can be fixed, people can’t.
I’m going to guess that the cars have been stuck on Dale Street for a while and once the barriers are removed to relieve the congestion (which may have been impacting the Birkenhead tunnel entrance at the other end of Dale St causing a gridlock situation) the drivers then have thousands of pedestrians, many happily celebrating with alcohol, heading toward them. This conflict happens every time City have a home game and pedestrians have to avoid the drivers flooring it as they leave the car parks.
Probably started because someone scratched someone’s paintwork.
I hope the casualties don’t have too severe injuries. The driver better hope for that too.
its weird how in 25 years all on the frontline I never met these individuals..yes, i worked with some bellends, some highly incompetent and some who were later sacked for various misdeameanours, and whilst I cannot speak for 50 years ago, the overwhelming majority of people I worked with were incredibly brave and hard working and we saw that last night-running towards danger preventing a murder and tending to the injured in extremely difficult circumstances.I don't think that is unique to merseyside police to be honest.
As you are not open to any other scenario other than the one you have told yourself has happened. I see the swerve a different way to you. If you see how he would react scared for his life, he wasn't going to then stop after hitting people at first is he. You dont even know if he is looking straight ahead to know where he is going considering his windows are being smashed, foot down, head turned to his smashed windows etc. We don't know but you keep saying he's driven into them all purposely without any second thought.It’s the aftermath of that which I can’t get my head round, nor will I be accepting any kind of excuses for. That video that shows the initial burst of acceleration, sending about 10 people flying would be a reaction of someone scared for their life, but to then carry on, and actually turn into a space crowded with people, well that isn’t the action of being scared. Each time I see it, it just gets worse and worse.
I'm not saying you haven't, but (if) working within the police, I'm sure you are less likely to come across it, than people not working in it.its weird how in 25 years all on the frontline I never met these individuals..yes, i worked with some bellends, some highly incompetent and some who were later sacked for various misdeameanours
Long day, alcohol, others doing it so they just join in??I just don't understand the mentality to start kicking the fuck out of a car just because it took a wrong turn? Just why?
Your final sentence is totally correct. But, you can absolutely guarantee with LFC that a narrative will be created that totally ignores what triggered it, and focuses on the conclusion. And I’m not excusing the guy behind the wheel, he is rightly going down for a long time, but people do strange things when they start to panic.A load of bellends attack a car and then it looks like the driver panicked and tried to get away. People were putting his windows in and trying to open his doors. It's mental to try and accelerate away with the street being as crowded as it was, but in that situation most people aren't going to be in a normal state of mind. He may have lost control of the car in his haste to get away from the mob. He's fucked though now.
The result is a load of people have injuries, some seriously. Thoughts go out to those affected.
The people attacking the car at the start are complicit in this and should be arrested also, this will probably get played down though.
perhaps-I only did football games as a Sergeant-hated it, mainly because it involved sitting in a van for hours and my serial always got the away fans who frequently seemed up for a ruck.I'm not saying you haven't, but (if) working within the police, I'm sure you are less likely to come across it, than people not working in it.
Many/most do a good and brave job, and are often hindered by some of those in charge as you say. You go towards incidents the rest of us get away from, but my experiences around football related policing is that it's not always great. It's better these days than it used to be, but still far from perfect, as football fans are still often treated like we're still all hooligans.
It’s the aftermath of that which I can’t get my head round, nor will I be accepting any kind of excuses for. That video that shows the initial burst of acceleration, sending about 10 people flying would be a reaction of someone scared for their life, but to then carry on, and actually turn into a space crowded with people, well that isn’t the action of being scared. Each time I see it, it just gets worse and worse.
Drivers have a duty to ensure the safety of everyone around them and unless he gave a warning he was about to reverse she would have been unable to know he was about to make that manoeuvre and he didn’t have clear visibility all round in any case. He was being impatient and attempting to force his way through. However I was more referring to the second reverse manoeuvre which is even more daft considering the first one nearly knocked people over.He is reversing slowly and the woman walks across him, like many others not looking or caring that a moving vehicle is trying to navigate through. If you think kicking fuck out of a car, smashing it up because somebody reversed slowly is ok then I am not sure what to say.
Repeatedly? I’ve probably seen it 3 or 4 times since it happened.Why on earth are you watching this repeatedly?
It can't be good for you. Put the screen away or look at the Springwatch live feed instead? Seriously.
It's not. It's adjacent to the strand, which is the end of the parade.
When the parade finished people would have left the Strand via Water Street.(and other streets)
It's like us leaving Deansgate and walking up John Dalton Street.(and other streets)
Water Street obviously wasn't blocked off to traffic at the point of the day.
I just don't understand the mentality to start kicking the fuck out of a car just because it took a wrong turn? Just why?