North Stand Construction Discussion

Coatigan said:
There is not needing so much light,and then there is not having any whatsoever. Zero. Sorry mate, I find that odd, I stand by that. And yes I know what a museum is.

Particularly as they introduced 'light voids' internally. Even if they did want it completely pitch black in there, surprised they are building it the way they are. I.e permanently solid/opaque, rather than blanking it from the inside. It makes it almost certainly impossible to change that or adapt in the future.

As they'd need to remove the etfe roof and structure, put up cranes/scaffolds, strip off sails and remove fully sealed external walls above and below operating floors. Then reinstate all. As opposed to just removing internal blanking panels from the inside for a bit of future flexibility. They seem pretty commited to whatever is in there having no windows.
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When they built The Collection museum in Lincoln they had no windows on the building except for the reception, cafe and the atrium.
 
WARBABY said:
When they built The Collection museum in Lincoln they had no windows on the building except for the reception, cafe and the atrium.
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Apart from the big sawtooth rooflights, the clerestorey and the glazed atrium, but yeah I take your point.

Look, I do get it. I am just pointing out this has zero. And that it also conflicts with this type of construction, and design.

But I guess they were also always inherently constrained by the concept of the two claws being the same.
 
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Coatigan said:
I stand by my take. Sorry, I do find it odd.

I do get your point, and others who have tried to rationalise it. In principle, sure, of course. But that's two whole floors of circa 1300m2 each, with no windows at all on any of the 4 sides. At this scale though, with this amount, and this type of construction - sorry, it is counterintuitive at best, and odd at the least.

But like the rest of you, can't wait to actually experience it in person!

The somewhat positive of it I guess is they clearly know what they want from it and what they have planned inside it, to commit to that ay this point. And I have checked back through the amendmet of August '24, they have indeed covered the change to glazing at that point. Well, to the west elevation, to the east one facing the square, the approved ammendment showed two portions at either end of solid, on L3 and none on L4, somewhat different from what is being built.
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I want to let this go, but I'm struggling! Why is it odd? It would be similar to going to the cinema and having windows in the room you watch the film?! Natural light would spoil the display. It makes complete sense to have a dark enclosed space so you can bring the space to life with backlit cabinets/video screens and create the mood and environment you want. Pretty much what every stadium museum does.

Edit - just seen your post responding to someone else and can appreciate your position in terms of overall design aesthetic. As you were.
 
supercity88 said:
I want to let this go, but I'm struggling! Why is it odd? It would be similar to going to the cinema and having windows in the room you watch the film?! Natural light would spoil the display. It makes complete sense to have a dark enclosed space so you can bring the space to life with backlit cabinets/video screens and create the mood and environment you want. Pretty much what every stadium museum does.

Edit - just seen your post responding to someone else and can appreciate your position in terms of overall design aesthetic. As you were.
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Yeah I am looking at it a bit more wholesale, bigger picture. Rather than just, 'museums - dark'.

But you have understood that, we'd end up going round in circles, and I don't really have any more to say anyway, it was an observation like any other. Happy to leave it there.

There IS one void on the bottom of the two museum levels that looks down into the shop below, so might get a wee glimmer of daylight here and there ;).
 
Coatigan said:
Here are some close-ups of the off-site practice production bracketry for the sails.

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And here are some of the practice sail fixing connection, early sail mock-ups, and the honeycomb (manc bee reference) perforated louvered panels.

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'Extreme close-up, woah!'
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Are we saying the brackets are custom made for this project ??
still think the sails would look better in the light gray to match the ventilated panels , probably have to wait months to see what they finally look :-(
 
Penders1957 said:
Are we saying the brackets are custom made for this project ??
still think the sails would look better in the light gray to match the ventilated panels , probably have to wait months to see what they finally look :-(
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Think so, looks like it.

Think the light grey panels should have matched the verticals and their podium equivalents myself. But it is what it is. The hotel isn't far off being fully clad and watertight now, so might see all the sails being installed soon enough.
 
Would the buildings look better without the sails?

I don’t mind them just being plain glass, especially if the sail material isn’t the highest quality.
 
HelloCity said:
Would the buildings look better without the sails?

I don’t mind them just being plain glass, especially if the sail material isn’t the highest quality.
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Not for me, personally. Not at this scale, which was exactly why they put them on in the first place. Age old conundrum, somewhat.

Think if they were gouing to go down that 'naked' look, a far more refined system and components than they have gone with would have been needed. Not just to look good, but to get past planning imo. The sails, for all their wee flaws will hide quite a few sins, once on.
 
DiscoSteve said:
shame, if City had chosen to extend the East West 3rd tiers by the one block next to the North Stand like they did with the South Stand we would probably have got that 61,958 up past the West Ham total (and Spuds and Klanfield)
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Yes, that’s odd. I never noticed that until somebody pointed it out to me. Now it plays havoc with my OCD when I see the East Stand
 
supercity88 said:
I don't think it's odd. They clearly want to create a certain experience with the museum and it's not odd at all for museums to be dark spaces. I also don't think you need to build in flexibility for it to adapt in the future. It's going to be a big feature with a hell of a lot of trophies and as every year goes by we add more to our history from 2008.
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The world trade centre museum is completely subterranean, works really well with no natural light. Croke Park museum whilst not underground has no natural light either. It creates a good ambience. I think it will work well.
 
DiscoSteve said:
shame, if City had chosen to extend the East West 3rd tiers by the one block next to the North Stand like they did with the South Stand we would probably have got that 61,958 up past the West Ham total (and Spuds and Klanfield)
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In the coming years, if we’re regularly selling out the 62k capacity, then we’ll probably look to add in seating with extra bits here & there. Those extra mini ends blocks and some retractable seating near the service tunnel would be best bets - and maybe even the restoration of those 3 removed rows at the front.
 
HelloCity said:
In the coming years, if we’re regularly selling out the 62k capacity, then we’ll probably look to add in seating with extra bits here & there. Those extra mini ends blocks and some retractable seating near the service tunnel would be best bets - and maybe even the restoration of those 3 removed rows at the front.
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I’m guessing the added advertising revenue was/is considerably greater than the income from the lost seats so I doubt that will change
 
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