Florian Wirtz

What is the marker for being world class? Wirtz is 22. At the same stage of their career, Phil Foden had more goals than Wirtz in far less minutes on the pitch. Phil then went on to score 27 goals and swept the board for player of the year awards in a far tougher league, in the corresponding season. Let's see if Wirtz scores 27 goals next season and sweeps the board for awards.
Phil has played at a higher level than Wirtz has, for his entire career. He's more decorated and was winning golden boy awards and player of the championship at youth football tournaments. Something Wirtz never achieved. The Phil of 2024 operated at a level which Wirtz has never reached.
Wirtz may well go on to become the best thing since sliced bread. But there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding him.
As of yet, he's not been a game changer in the Champions League or the Premier League.
Let's see how he gets on before declaring him as the second coming of christ.
If we you to look at his achievements so far, they pale into insignificance compared to Phils.
When Wirtz first started getting mentioned last summer, I thought then what's the point we have Foden and we have the better player. This summer after Fodens and Wirtz respective years I sort of came around to the idea of trying to get Wirtz. Still though if Foden returns to his best Wirtz will have a lot to prove in the PL to show to be a better player.
 
I can understand why they've bought him, he could be very good for them. I do though wonder if this signals the end for Salah. I can see Wirtz playing off the right-hand side possibly with Frimpong overlapping from right-back outside of him. I wonder if Salah's signed his new contract with a view to Liverpool getting a fee for him later on in the window.

All just random thoughts and most probably nonsense, I admit.
 
Wirtz vs. Cherki

I think Wirtz is the more complete player in that he helps more in terms of pressing and is quicker.

But I think in terms of playmaking Cherki is already the better player and can be a class apart. Sensational vision and execution, outstanding on the ball.
 
When Wirtz first started getting mentioned last summer, I thought then what's the point we have Foden and we have the better player. This summer after Fodens and Wirtz respective years I sort of came around to the idea of trying to get Wirtz. Still though if Foden returns to his best Wirtz will have a lot to prove in the PL to show to be a better player.
Phil does not need to show he's the better player. He just needs to sort himself out and become an integral part of the team again.
It's the same with Cherki. He does nit need to get better numbers than Wirtz. He just needs to be an influence and able to produce when needed most, against a stubborn low block. That is what will benefit the team.
With the 3 players we have bought, added to Rodri coming back and hopefully Phil reproducing some form, we should be walking that league.
If we had purchased Rodri, Foden, Bobb and the 3 new players in this transfer window, we would be clear favourites. People forget all the players we have coming back and are just concentrating on new signings.
 
On the face of it a very good signing that improves them. How it plays out, we'll see. We needed the pieces we bought so made no sense for us to buy one player. For them it does. I think we're both had a good window so far and should be a battle next season.
 
I am so happy that we managed to get the three quality players in, for what the scousers will pay for Wirtz. I think that it is good business on our behalf, we have plugged many gaps in our squad, that would not have happened if we overpaid like the scousers o Wirtz. Yes he would have been a great addition, but not for the sake of losing the others.
 
This would have hurt if we hadn't have signed three players for a similar outlay.

Even with Wirtz, we're now much closer to the dippers than we were and than we would have been had we signed him instead.
 
Wirtz vs. Cherki

I think Wirtz is the more complete player in that he helps more in terms of pressing and is quicker.

But I think in terms of playmaking Cherki is already the better player and can be a class apart. Sensational vision and execution, outstanding on the ball.
If we'd signed Wirtz and they'd signed Cherki I'm pretty sure Blues would be saying it the other way round. Lots of excitement when we were in for him and now he's pump.
 
If we'd signed Wirtz and they'd signed Cherki I'm pretty sure Blues would be saying it the other way round. Lots of excitement when we were in for him and now he's pump.

Nah, I said Wirtz has been the more complete player.

But Cherki, Imo, is better in purely chance creating terms. It's hardly controversial, stats back it up.
 
the problem with signing someone for so much money (especially a british record transfer fee) is that they can only be a bust, if he comes in and smashes it, he should because they have paid a record fee for him to do that, if he does anything less than that then he will be an expensive failure.
He'll be measured against Grealish and Rice. Let's be fair he'll be hard pressed not to get more game time and be more impressive than Grealish (taking way one season). Rice hasn't ripped it up at Arsenal as they've won fuck all. I know our press will build him up given he's English but let's face it he's not performed at the price they paid. So, given he's signed for that shower of cunts he'll be lauded from day one
 
He is a good player of that there is no doubt, but ive heard this story before of liverpool having the best players, the best fans, the best this and the best that and the only stat line that actually matters out of all the media bluster and scouse arse kissing is manchester city SIX titles, the dippers TWO titles.

Lets fucking go.
 
He is a good player of that there is no doubt, but ive heard this story before of liverpool having the best players, the best fans, the best this and the best that and the only stat line that actually matters out of all the media bluster and scouse arse kissing is manchester city SIX titles, the dippers TWO titles.

Lets fucking go.
Nothing personal, but I wish Dorian all the Wirst.
 
What is the marker for being world class? Wirtz is 22. At the same stage of their career, Phil Foden had more goals than Wirtz in far less minutes on the pitch. Phil then went on to score 27 goals and swept the board for player of the year awards in a far tougher league, in the corresponding season. Let's see if Wirtz scores 27 goals next season and sweeps the board for awards.
Phil has played at a higher level than Wirtz has, for his entire career. He's more decorated and was winning golden boy awards and player of the championship at youth football tournaments. Something Wirtz never achieved. The Phil of 2024 operated at a level which Wirtz has never reached.
Wirtz may well go on to become the best thing since sliced bread. But there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding him.
As of yet, he's not been a game changer in the Champions League or the Premier League.
Let's see how he gets on before declaring him as the second coming of christ.
If we you to look at his achievements so far, they pale into insignificance compared to Phils.
Can you explain to me how you come up with Foden? When was Foden ever mentioned? Did I say that Foden isn’t world class or that he is shit somewhere in my text?
Wirtz started for Leverkusen at the age of 17. he was regarded the biggest talent in Germany since he was 13.

Where did you read that he has never won anything at youth tournaments? Wirtz literally won the „ Fritz-Walter Medallie“ .
Even if he didn’t win them how does that compare to what was going on in the last 2 years? Foden scored more goals, yes while Wirtz had more assists. Again Foden is more a scorer while Wirtz is a creator and a ball carrier. Foden was never mentioned in my text. I don’t get the point to downgrade a player just because he moved to another club while he was the second coming of Jesus 2 weeks ago until the statement that City pulled out of the race. If we compare Wirtz and Foden I doubt the club would go for Wirtz if Wirtz wasn’t better than Foden as a creator. Same with Cherki. They operate differently than Foden.

again if Wirtz wasn’t special the top clubs wouldn’t go after him. He is regarded higher than Musiala after beating the overpowered Munich while not losing 1 game + winning Bundesliga player of the year 2 times in a row at the age of 20-21.
Every #10 or every player has to be somehow compared to Foden. There are other talents out there my guy. The media, the teams other experts seem to think that Wirtz is special. There‘s nothing wrong with it. And if you actually watched more Leverkusen games and not just the last nations league game you would know that he is a special talent. And in terms of age comparison worth has more since he had to actually carry Leverkusen and not be a part of it and it’s not an attack on Foden is just the fact that you call positives „ at the age of worth Foden did this and that in a tougher league. Wirtz isn’t part of the strongest team in the league - in a league where one club wins 8 out of 10.
he outplays the same Musiala - every team would kill for.
 

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