Tino Livramento

If he’s worth £80m what is Hakami worth? Madness this and lots of folk on here thinking it’s a cheap deal….
It’s all situational.

But I do think the club should look at this as a similar investment to Gvardiol. He’s a player at a very good level that we would take to the next level and for years.

Add in all the homegrown stuff as well but I don’t think that’s why we are going for him.

Only other player we’ve really looked at was Cambiaso and they wanted 70…
 
I’m not sure about that at present. For me Dumfries is better, albeit older. Could sign him for a few years and wait for Rico and other academy products to come through. Paying £80m for Liveramento isn’t a great use of cash imo.
Dumfries isn't fit to lace hakimi's boots, he's eye catching going forward but a liability defensively.
 
I’m not sure about that at present. For me Dumfries is better, albeit older. Could sign him for a few years and wait for Rico and other academy products to come through. Paying £80m for Liveramento isn’t a great use of cash imo.
If you had to ask inter fans. He’s actually not as good as you think he is. Those few games he had this season notable the Barca matches were just that. The few times where he looked world class. He’s not silky or technically gifted but he’s still good. Then again it wouldn’t help the HG issue we have
 
If you had to ask inter fans. He’s actually not as good as you think he is. Those few games he had this season notable the Barca matches were just that. The few times where he looked world class. He’s not silky or technically gifted but he’s still good. Then again it wouldn’t help the HG issue we have
My point is that he would be a lot cheaper and is a better player at this point….Ok let’s pay £80m for Tino and then start crying on the next thread about ticket prices..
 
Vanderson 23 from Monaco.

Attacking fullback. Will probably cost more than the €11m Monaco paid Gremio.

Not the finished article but would be a reasonable price and a decent age to develop.
Are we after an attacking right full back though?

Livramento is as close as a HG clone you are going to get for Walker currently, quick and can run all day.

I would think that Ait-Nouri is going to be the one bombing forward and the right back will be looking to help shut the counter attacks down.
 
Are we after an attacking right full back though?

Livramento is as close as a HG clone you are going to get for Walker currently, quick and can run all day.

I would think that Ait-Nouri is going to be the one bombing forward and the right back will be looking to help shut the counter attacks down.
Who knows what pep wants to do…

Wirtz didn’t happen so we went to cherki.

Tino might not happen so we may have no choice to go down the list.

I think this move will depend on how much money we can bring in this summer with sales.

Stacked on the wings but short at fullback.

£80m seems a lot for a player who was bought for £32 couple seasons ago.
 
If we walked way from Wirtz at £116mill that Liverpool are paying, we aren't paying £80mill for a full back, if that is the rumoured transfer figure for Livremento.
 
Vanderson 23 from Monaco.

Attacking fullback. Will probably cost more than the €11m Monaco paid Gremio.

Not the finished article but would be a reasonable price and a decent age to develop.
Vanderson shows buying from the Brazilian league isn’t a bad thing.

Wesley
 
Who knows what pep wants to do…

Wirtz didn’t happen so we went to cherki.

Tino might not happen so we may have no choice to go down the list.

I think this move will depend on how much money we can bring in this summer with sales.

Stacked on the wings but short at fullback.

£80m seems a lot for a player who was bought for £32 couple seasons ago.
Don’t think money is the issue, the issue is whether Newcastle will sell at a price we are prepared to pay. What that is I haven’t the faintest idea, could be £50 mill could be £70 mill. Only the club know and if we can’t get him we will move on or stick with what we have if we can’t get a better homegrown. Don’t think sales will make the decision, at least not financially only squad numbers wise.
 
Are we after an attacking right full back though?

Livramento is as close as a HG clone you are going to get for Walker currently, quick and can run all day.

I would think that Ait-Nouri is going to be the one bombing forward and the right back will be looking to help shut the counter attacks down.
Play khusanov better defender if that's the case and faster.
 
I’m not sure what the point of this comparison is - or the choice of comparators you’ve made - beyond the fact they’re all right backs, obviously.

You’re comparing Livramento with Hakimi, who is the best right back in the world at the moment.

He would command a colossal fee this summer - way beyond the figures being talked about for Livramento - even if PSG could be convinced to sell him, which they won’t.

I would expect any RB playing the game to look less talented next to him right now.

He’s 26, and has just reached his peak.

Aina is 28, and has had a great spell at Forest. That said, he’ll be 29 in a couple of months, and is likely to start losing some of his capacity over the next few years.

He’d be a stop gap who could do a job for a couple of seasons, nothing more.

Nunes is an interesting comparison, but he isn’t a right back - which is why we’re in the market for a replacement.

These players are either at their peak already, or in the case of Aina probably looking at the start of their decline.

Livramento is 22, and hasn’t even made an appearance for his National team yet.

He’s all potential, and we’d be buying him not because of what he is now - but what we believe he can be with the right training.

He’s not Hakimi yet, and he may never be.

But he’s the only one in your list who I wouldn’t expect to see performing at their best just yet.

So it’s a bit of a pointless comparison.

Compare him to other 22 year old homegrown RBs (which are the factors that make him uniquely attractive to us), and I’d imagine he’ll be show up best out there.

And that’s the evaluation we’re making here - not whether he’s as good as Hakimi right now.
I think the point of the comparisons are obvious..

1. Is to start with a WC player, Hakimi, that gives you a baseline of what World Class should look like ( and what 80 million should potentially be pointing at)... And ate there indices in Livramento's stats suggesting potential WC. Or is je just the new Wan Bissaka.

2. Aina: gives you a comparison to another homegrown fullback ( which is one of the big off field advantages of Livramento). And whether in the short-term Aina can provide what Livra will while we wait on a future RB that doesn't come at the price of a striker.

3, is a comparison to what we already have in house in Nunes. What that comparison seems to be suggesting is that Livramento may not be good value for money. As Nunes presently does most things as well or better yhan Livra does. Granted, braindead errors wasnt a

There will be another 21-22 year old fullback in a year or 2. Perhaps a stopgap in Aina is the better value for money ( if we are interested in a HG RB).... Especially, if its quite possible the future emerging Fullback may very well already be in house....


Rico Lewis!!!!!
 
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Well the only other real link was Cambiaso in January and id rather have Livramento based of ability alone.
Cambiasso was a left back link. People just hypothesized he could play on either side.

Somehow, that 'he can play on either side' became he is the RB option.
 

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