Tino Livramento

Cobwebcat said:
Despite what we might want to happen I just can’t see city offering over 60 for this kid. Look at deals we have done so far…we won’t overpay whatever the circumstances imho.
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Viana seems to pack a set of brass ones so I wouldn't rule it out. We send another player the other way to reduce the fee- who knows.
 
Craig said:
Not a prayer Walker was ever as good a natural footballer as Livramento now at 22, never mind how good he should become.
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If being a "natural footballer" was important we'd be going into our 8th season of Joao Cancelo being the starting RB.

I like Livramento, but I don't know why any City fan would give a shit about "natural footballing ability" when Pep would not hesitate to call Walker one of the most important players he's had in any team he's managed.

Professional football is about being effective in a team, not having a great first touch. Walker and his limited footballing ability was the lynchpin of our defence (the best team in English football history) for nearly a decade, Livramento will be increidbly lucky to have a career that amounts to half of that so what you're getting out of disparaging him for a 22 year old who's done nothing yet beats me.

We should get Livramento because we need a fullback and he looks a good one, but if there was a 22 year old Kyle Walker clone knocking around Pep would immediately ask the club to spend £100m on him and his poor footballing ability.
 
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domalino said:
If being a "natural footballer" was important we'd be going into our 8th season of Joao Cancelo being the starting RB.

I like Livramento, but I don't know why any City fan would give a shit about "natural footballing ability" when Pep would not hesitate to call Walker one of the most important players he's had in any team he's managed.

Professional football is about being effective in a team, not having a great first touch. Walker and his limited footballing ability was the lynchpin of our defence (the best team in English football history) for nearly a decade, Livramento will be increidbly lucky to have a career that amounts to half of that so what you're getting out of disparaging him for a 22 year old who's done nothing yet beats me.

We should get Livramento because we need a fullback and he looks a good one, but if there was a 22 year old Kyle Walker clone knocking around Pep would immediately ask the club to spend £100m on him and his poor footballing ability.
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But he hasn’t got limited footballing ability
He is a International and Premiership footballer you don’t get to that level if you can’t play football
If you ever get to a game early you
often see Walker volleying the ball cross field with Foden and plucking the return ball out of the sky
Granted there are players who have more ability and skill but Walker is no mug
 
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Sheikh rattle and roll said:
But he hasn’t got limited footballing ability
He is a International and Premiership footballer you don’t get to that level if you can’t play football
If you ever get to a game early you
often see Walker volleying the ball cross field with Foden and plucking the return ball out of the sky
Granted there are players who have more ability and skill but Walker is no mug
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He's not saying Walker is bad, he's saying Walker was world-class for reasons other than his technical footballing ability — his pace, agility (eg plucking return balls out of the sky), reliability, work ethic, overlapping runs, defensive capabilities (which improved greatly over time) and his ability to keep the ball with simple, short passes to more creative players. He wasn't a player with amazing vision, defence-splitting passes or great crosses. But that wasn't his job, he fit perfectly into our team in his position and enabled the likes of KDB, Bernardo, Sterling and others on that side of the pitch flourish
 
domalino said:
If being a "natural footballer" was important we'd be going into our 8th season of Joao Cancelo being the starting RB.

I like Livramento, but I don't know why any City fan would give a shit about "natural footballing ability" when Pep would not hesitate to call Walker one of the most important players he's had in any team he's managed.

Professional football is about being effective in a team, not having a great first touch. Walker and his limited footballing ability was the lynchpin of our defence (the best team in English football history) for nearly a decade, Livramento will be increidbly lucky to have a career that amounts to half of that so what you're getting out of disparaging him for a 22 year old who's done nothing yet beats me.

We should get Livramento because we need a fullback and he looks a good one, but if there was a 22 year old Kyle Walker clone knocking around Pep would immediately ask the club to spend £100m on him and his poor footballing ability.
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No one said walker is shit. It’s just that Livramento has more potential than Walker ever has due to his natural technical ability. Compared to Walker he can get better on the offense. Of course walker’s physicality and pace was important but Livramento can be the complete package since he already is strong on defense but talented on the ball enough to make a name on the other side of the game too.
 
You know what? I wouldn't mind Gusto from Chelsea.

I'd probably be lambasted for saying it but always been impressed with his energy, pace and defending. Plus he's good going forward too I believe.

He linked well with Cherki against Spain, anyway...
 
skillman said:
You know what? I wouldn't mind Gusto from Chelsea.

I'd probably be lambasted for saying it but always been impressed with his energy, pace and defending. Plus he's good going forward too I believe.

He linked well with Cherki against Spain, anyway...
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I quite like him. Seems to be in and out of the side at Chelsea depending on Reece James being fit or not which can't be easy for a young defender.
 
skillman said:
You know what? I wouldn't mind Gusto from Chelsea.

I'd probably be lambasted for saying it but always been impressed with his energy, pace and defending. Plus he's good going forward too I believe.

He linked well with Cherki against Spain, anyway...
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He's on the list according to Damien10 as well.
 
skillman said:
You know what? I wouldn't mind Gusto from Chelsea.

I'd probably be lambasted for saying it but always been impressed with his energy, pace and defending. Plus he's good going forward too I believe.

He linked well with Cherki against Spain, anyway...
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Decent player but not HG
 
Sheikh rattle and roll said:
But he hasn’t got limited footballing ability
He is a International and Premiership footballer you don’t get to that level if you can’t play football
If you ever get to a game early you
often see Walker volleying the ball cross field with Foden and plucking the return ball out of the sky
Granted there are players who have more ability and skill but Walker is no mug
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Yeah you’re right, I got sucked into using the terminology of OP. You dont play for Pep without being a very good technical footballer, it’s just that some of our players look poorer in comparison to some of the absolute geniuses we have on the pitch.
 
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King Jay said:
No one said walker is shit. It’s just that Livramento has more potential than Walker ever has due to his natural technical ability. Compared to Walker he can get better on the offense. Of course walker’s physicality and pace was important but Livramento can be the complete package since he already is strong on defense but talented on the ball enough to make a name on the other side of the game too.
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I disagree. I’ve not seen anything from Livramento (or really anyone out there) that says he can become the player Walker was.

On paper all Walker needed to do his mopping up was speed and physicality, but there are a lot of very fast, strong players who simply can’t get side by side with one of the best wingers in the world and take the ball off them like he did.

So there must be an element of technique in the challenge and a mental element of timing it, and staying calm until the opportunity presents itself that allowed him to just step in and win the ball back without committing to a tackle or going off his feet that you very rarely see in other fullbacks.

And that’s before we get into his ridiculous fitness/availability, giving away very few fouls or cards.

I see Livramento as potentially a very good fullback who could start for us for a long time, I just don’t think he’s ever going to replicate what made Walker special.

Khusanov on the other hand does have a bit of that in him IMO even at a different position (although he goes to ground too much currently) and I think he might become our new “sweeper” however pep makes that work formation wise.
 
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I keep seeing it suggested but I really don't think Khusanov would last long here as a right back. He's nowhere near as good at defending wide areas as he is in the centre. The opposite of Walker in that regard.

I also don't think a lot of people realise how good Livramento is defensively.
 
richards30 said:
but for the right player in the right area and at the right age you have to stump up?
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Yes! A highly talented, technical player, who's already World Class, in a key position ( Attacking Mid or Striker), and is still young like say Florian Wirtz, yes you will stump up the money.

But for a fullback, who isn't top 10 currently, and plays for a team who doesn't need to sell? And he is not angling to leave, then No. Trying to force it is what often results in bad decisions.

From his last season production, there's no guarantee he beats out Nunes this season. Who knows, maybe never or they become complimentary RBs.... Now is that worth 70-80 mil? I certainly think not.
 
Craig said:
That’s like saying people are poor in this country so why give to foreign aid! I’m sure our 20 quids make or break these type of deals!

If we spent £80m on some young midfielder nobody would bat an eyelid. We’ve not though . We’ve got midfielders for really good fees. Our last week spot is right back. So if we have to spend more on the best young one in the league who could sort out a problem position for the next 10 years. Then who gives a fuck really?
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Yeah sounds sensible, why not offer £150m?
 
Tugay One Cup said:
I keep seeing it suggested but I really don't think Khusanov would last long here as a right back. He's nowhere near as good at defending wide areas as he is in the centre. The opposite of Walker in that regard.

I also don't think a lot of people realise how good Livramento is defensively.
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You can be confident about Khusanov not being a right back on the strength of half a dozen matches then?
 
We are not serious if we are expecting to compete for the big prizes with Nunes as RB. He doesn't have the defensive awareness to be playing there.

It's unfortunate since Rico's lack of physicality hampers him to hold that position
 
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