Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

BigJoe#1 said:
Just release the hostages and the killing of Palestinans might might stop. Don't release them, then as we have witnessed for years it won't. Why don't you use your simple brain to work out the best way to try and reduce casualties.
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I think he's already pointed out that killing Palestinians predates the hostages October 7, as you would know if you had any serious knowledge of this 80 year old conflict.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Just release the hostages and the killing of Palestinans might might stop. Don't release them, then as we have witnessed for years it won't. Why don't you use your simple brain to work out the best way to try and reduce casualties.
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Hope there's enough replies to make you realize how idiotic you are and perhaps drop your repeated bollox? - however it's been this long, you still spout nonsense so i guess there's no hope.
 

The situation in Gaza from the Red Cross/Red Crescent is still desperate we need a permanent ceasefire and a resumption of full scale aid into the strip, an exchange of remaining hostages and release of Palestinian’s detained without trial by Israel. The news is now focused on the Israel/Iran war another humanitarian disaster let’s not forget the situation in Gaza
 
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Trump saying he's leaving G7 for something 'bigger than a ceasefire' is concerning. Seems inevitable that the US will intervene with some of its heavy ordinance
 
Of note, Israel has had a nasty shock over the last couple of days some Iranian missiles have had to enough power to penetrate Israeli air raid shelters.
Maybe not bunker busters but certainly basic construction penetrating.
 
grunge said:
If this was about Hostages Isreal wouldn't be flattening the country. it would be surgical operations to get them back. Israel have probably killed most of the remaining hostages doing what they are doing.
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The buildings are being destroyed because of the tunnels. It's a war strategy to take away the advantage of the other side. Similar thing was done to Mosul. These houses will be rebuilt when the war is over.
Every time I read about the criticism of Israel's strategy, it's usually by people who do not understand warfare tactics. These people think war should be fought in a way that suits their preferred method. Or they want Israel to fight with one hand tied behind their back.
If Britain fights any war like this, they would lose big time.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Of note, Israel has had a nasty shock over the last couple of days some Iranian missiles have had to enough power to penetrate Israeli air raid shelters.
Maybe not bunker busters but certainly basic construction penetrating.
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The number of ballistic missiles fired in a single volley by Iran is dropping every day.
In October 2024, Iran was capable of firing hundreds in a single volley. Last night, it's down to less than 50. As Israel continues to hunt down the mobile launchers across Iran, expect this figure to continue to decrease further.
Meanwhile, Iran's national assets are being wiped out across the entire country. It's a big disgrace for Iran to surrender it's airspace to the IAF within just three day of the conflict.
 
Pelegrinni said:
The buildings are being destroyed because of the tunnels. It's a war strategy to take away the advantage of the other side. Similar thing was done to Mosul. These houses will be rebuilt when the war is over.
Every time I read about the criticism of Israel's strategy, it's usually by people who do not understand warfare tactics. These people think war should be fought in a way that suits their preferred method. Or they want Israel to fight with one hand tied behind their back.
If Britain fights any war like this, they would lose big time.
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Why not just nuke Gaza and get it over with?
 
robbieh said:
I think he's already pointed out that killing Palestinians predates the hostages October 7, as you would know if you had any serious knowledge of this 80 year old conflict.
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People often forget that Israel took over Gaza (governed by Egypt prior) and the West Bank (governed by Jordan prior) in 1967. So the 80 year estimate is not correct.
Also, Israel wanted to return Gaza to Egypt but the Egyptians refused to have anything to do with Gaza.
Question some people ask was why Egypt and Jordan failed to establish a Palestinian State between 1948 and 1967.
 
Pelegrinni said:
People often forget that Israel took over Gaza (governed by Egypt prior) and the West Bank (governed by Jordan prior) in 1967. So the 80 year estimate is not correct.
Also, Israel wanted to return Gaza to Egypt but the Egyptians refused to have anything to do with Gaza.
Question some people ask was why Egypt and Jordan failed to establish a Palestinian State between 1948 and 1967.
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Can I ask you a serious question.

Why do you think Israel has a right to exist?
 
This may be an unpopular take...

But for me, I think that a competent US President would take the opportunity of the current war between Israel and Iran to launch one or more strikes - however many is necessary - to completely destroy Iran's nuclear bomb infrastructure.

The US military uniquely enjoys the capability to destroy massively fortified targets deep underground with conventional weapons due to their bunker busting bombs.

Iran's nuclear material production sites are deep underground and thus are beyond the ability for Israel to destroy with conventional weapons.

So why bother with negotiations - with a regime controlled by crazy individuals hell-bent on killing every single Jew and after that's done, impose their religion on the rest of the world? Screw negotiations - fucking take away the ability for Iran to produce nuclear weapons - right now!

Instead - Trump does fucking nothing.
 
robbieh said:
Why not just nuke Gaza and get it over with?
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I think that you're just reacting emotionally here.
Gaza will be rebuilt just like Germany was rebuilt after the war. But in the meantime, the war must be won.
You may not like it, but it's the job of the military commanders to do what is necessary to win the war.
 
robbieh said:
Can I ask you a serious question.

Why do you think Israel has a right to exist?
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They are an independent nation state just like any other in the world today.
If anyone thinks Israel does not have the right to exist, then expect them to fight back for their survival.
And when they fight back, don't cry or complain about the methods used in the battle.
There's a reason why many countries in the Middle East have not been attacked by Israel e.g. Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. These countries have not attacked Israel.
So I say to you and others who ask such question - leave the Jews alone in their land and your land will have peace.
 
Pelegrinni said:
I think that you're just reacting emotionally here.
Gaza will be rebuilt just like Germany was rebuilt after the war. But in the meantime, the war must be won.
You may not like it, but it's the job of the military commanders to do what is necessary to win the war.
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The thing is. It's not a war. It's a massacre. The Palestinians have no means to defend themselves.

You mentioned Britain earlier. If Britain had bombed West Belfast in the same way the world including the US would have been in uproar.

You mention the military side of it. Obviously Israel win that but they're also creating the next bunch of Palestinians who will in 20 years strike at Israel. So overall a very stupid strategy.
 
Pelegrinni said:
They are an independent nation state just like any other in the world today.
If anyone thinks Israel does not have the right to exist, then expect them to fight back for their survival.
And when they fight back, don't cry or complain about the methods used in the battle.
There's a reason why many countries in the Middle East have not been attacked by Israel e.g. Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. These countries have not attacked Israel.
So I say to you and others who ask such question - leave the Jews alone in their land and your land will have peace.
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Your last sentence is the giveaway.
It's not there land unless you are pushing the biblical narrative.
As for independent state like any other, no it isn't. It's very new and has been ethnically cleansing the indigenous population for the last 80 years.
 
robbieh said:
The thing is. It's not a war. It's a massacre. The Palestinians have no means to defend themselves.

You mentioned Britain earlier. If Britain had bombed West Belfast in the same way the world including the US would have been in uproar.

You mention the military side of it. Obviously Israel win that but they're also creating the next bunch of Palestinians who will in 20 years strike at Israel. So overall a very stupid strategy.
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The current estimate of the total death count in Gaza is between 50k to 70k.
Of these, the majority are Hamas fighters. Next, you add those who died of natural causes. Then, you'll find that the civilian death count is being overblown especially when compared to other conflicts.
If it is a massacre, then I would expect around 300k to 400k deaths when you consider how long the war has been ongoing. What I can see is large scale destruction of buildings and displacement of people.

My worry is that Hamas cares less for their people compared to people like you and others across the world.
If Hamas cares, they would negotiate a safe exit from Gaza in return for freeing the remaining hostages. This would bring the war to an end immediately. Instead, they are hanging on hoping that international pressure would force Israel to stop the war so they can continue to govern Gaza.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
This may be an unpopular take...

But for me, I think that a competent US President would take the opportunity of the current war between Israel and Iran to launch one or more strikes - however many is necessary - to completely destroy Iran's nuclear bomb infrastructure.

The US military uniquely enjoys the capability to destroy massively fortified targets deep underground with conventional weapons due to their bunker busting bombs.

Iran's nuclear material production sites are deep underground and thus are beyond the ability for Israel to destroy with conventional weapons.

So why bother with negotiations - with a regime controlled by crazy individuals hell-bent on killing every single Jew and after that's done, impose their religion on the rest of the world? Screw negotiations - fucking take away the ability for Iran to produce nuclear weapons - right now!

Instead - Trump does fucking nothing.
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May want to hold fire on that... rumour he left the G7 meeting early is that he is preparing attacks on Iran.. then he will be labelled a warmonger etc.
 
Pelegrinni said:
The current estimate of the total death count in Gaza is between 50k to 70k.
Of these, the majority are Hamas fighters. Next, you add those who died of natural causes. Then, you'll find that the civilian death count is being overblown especially when compared to other conflicts.
If it is a massacre, then I would expect around 300k to 400k deaths when you consider how long the war has been ongoing. What I can see is large scale destruction of buildings and displacement of people.

My worry is that Hamas cares less for their people compared to people like you and others across the world.
If Hamas cares, they would negotiate a safe exit from Gaza in return for freeing the remaining hostages. This would bring the war to an end immediately. Instead, they are hanging on hoping that international pressure would force Israel to stop the war so they can continue to govern Gaza.
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Another one who thinks the hostage situation is key. As pointed out by many Israel has been killing Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank with impunity for the last 20 years especially
 
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