Grooming gang scandal

oldius said:
It is a fact that in the Rochdale and Rotherham cases, Pakistani men and men of Pakistani heritage raped minors, so nobody is trying to pretend that did not happen, certainly nobody here.
That you take that forward to refusing to trust ANY Pakistani men is a problem. One assumes that you would trust white men despite the number of cases of paedophilia within the white community. If you wouldn't trust ANY white men either, then there is no issue.
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Better to be safe than sorry. When my daughter was about seven and I took her to the local sweet shop. She would always say things like, that man < Pakistani > looks at me strange and is weird. And i would always say he's OK. Now she's 13 and she knows he's a wrong un and I dont have to pretend he isn't. It's all great and we live in the perfect world until one of the cunts rapes your child . I am glad my daughter don't trust them . Got nothing to gain from it being any different.
 
Just a side note that these Pakistani blokes have no issues with inter family relationships. Shagging and marrying cousins well below the legal age in our country. So why wouldn't they shag/ rape random underage British kids. I heard there is a politician in Scotland shouting about marrying cousins should be fine . Not sure if he's Scottish or not . But i wouldn't leave my daughter near him either.
 
Stephen Ireland's pants said:
Better to be safe than sorry. When my daughter was about seven and I took her to the local sweet shop. She would always say things like, that man < Pakistani > looks at me strange and is weird. And i would always say he's OK. Now she's 13 and she knows he's a wrong un and I dont have to pretend he isn't. It's all great and we live in the perfect world until one of the cunts rapes your child . I am glad my daughter don't trust them . Got nothing to gain from it being any different.
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You can't label each and every person in the same way though. It's not healthy in any shape or form.
I live in Oldham. There is good and bad in all walks of life.
It's just that some on here are seemingly struggling with that concept. They make excuses and say "but what about..."
That really boils my piss.
 
mackenzie said:
You can't label each and every person in the same way though. It's not healthy in any shape or form.
I live in Oldham. There is good and bad in all walks of life.
It's just that some on here are seemingly struggling with that concept. They make excuses and say "but what about..."
That really boils my piss.
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You are right but if it's a numbers game then I'd rather she was statistically savy. I've also told her to keep away from fairground gypsies. So it's not all about the colour of skin .
 
oldius said:
Thanks for the mention.

In context, not a pointless list at all. The conversation moves within threads.

It does not change my earlier points.
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It was pointless everyone knows this problem covers all colours and all spectrums of political views. We are only trying to determine if all these vermin are being reported and investigated in the same manner. It's about treating everyone exactly the same. Its really that simple.
 
mackenzie said:
You can't label each and every person in the same way though. It's not healthy in any shape or form.
I live in Oldham. There is good and bad in all walks of life.
It's just that some on here are seemingly struggling with that concept. They make excuses and say "but what about..."
That really boils my piss.
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Your first sentence...

That's it, that's the crux of it. I hope every scumbag involved in this scandal gets sent down and has a hellish time. What I'm not going to do is treat every other Pakistani that I meet in my life with disdain. There will be a few sorry arseholes that use this story to further their prejudices. Frankly I pity them.
 
If it helps people to deal with the racial issue. We could change the topic to Pakistani Muslim rape gangs were not prosecuted for the past twenty years while other white rape gangs were. The female police officer who resigned and has since wrote books and shouted to the high heaven has said its Pakistani Muslim's. But hey what does she know if bluemoon knows different.
 
Blue and true said:
Your first sentence...

That's it, that's the crux of it. I hope every scumbag involved in this scandal gets sent down and has a hellish time. What I'm not going to do is treat every other Pakistani that I meet in my life with disdain. There will be a few sorry arseholes that use this story to further their prejudices. Frankly I pity them.
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And I agree.
Yet there are other arseholes that are seemingly hell bent on saying "But...but...but....what about the whites??"

We all knows these horrible acts are not restricted to just one group, but the point remains that THIS possible cover up was simply down to the ethnicity of those involved. And that stinks.
 
Blue and true said:
Your first sentence...

That's it, that's the crux of it. I hope every scumbag involved in this scandal gets sent down and has a hellish time. What I'm not going to do is treat every other Pakistani that I meet in my life with disdain. There will be a few sorry arseholes that use this story to further their prejudices. Frankly I pity them.
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A sane and fair view in a sea of utter bollocks.
 
What do you think the answer is to stop grooming gangs then?

Personally, I think we need to invest more in youth services and youth clubs etc in all communities, so those children that are in vulnerable have some opportunity and investment in themselves. This will give them a) life skills b) somewhere to go and not roam the streets and c) most importantly give them some self esteem and confidence so they have less chance of falling victim to these scumbags.

Interested to hear what others solutions would be?
 
mattcity5 said:
So... maybe we should just call them 'grooming gangs'?
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Like the thread title you mean?

Anyhow for the the umpteenth time the question was did any of those responsibie shy away/ignore/fail to do their job because of the fear of being labelled racist or anti Muslim?

Most of these people oddly enough will be white so the fucknuts are basically saying yeah you lot are racist for wanting those responsible punished.

Ironic from the moronic:-)
 
Forgive my ignorance in this but is it fair to say that the way the crimes are committed is a factor. Ie in cases where abuse happens in churches for example there is a power imbalance ie a church leader abuses someone in their care.

In the Rochdale instance and some of the other grooming gangs instances there isn't the same tight community ie the girls abused weren't abused within the same kind of framework and structure - they were informal connections if you catch my meaning. Also in a grooming gang scenario there seems to be more perps involved and in some cases the girls get passed around - I don't think this was unique to Rochdale: I think I read about a Scottish gang doing similar earlier this year.

So whilst the crimes are similar the circumstances are different and need to be understood in order to be able to recognise failings and safeguard people. For example it's clear that people across different classes, ethnicity and culture do commit abuses but if there were particular ways certain groups connect and commit offences then that needs to be understood and thought through. For example in places like churches, scouts, schools etc people who work with kids should be DBS checked but people working in take aways wouldn't because there is a difference in access.

So there are differences in access to kids but also potentially attitudes that justify the abuse or lead to cover ups. These will be reflected differently across communities and attempts should be made to understand the context of the criminality
 
BridgyDids said:
What do you think the answer is to stop grooming gangs then?

Personally, I think we need to invest more in youth services and youth clubs etc in all communities, so those children that are in vulnerable have some opportunity and investment in themselves. This will give them a) life skills b) somewhere to go and not roam the streets and c) most importantly give them some self esteem and confidence so they have less chance of falling victim to these scumbags.

Interested to hear what others solutions would be?
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The cessation of being scared to offend certain groups by the authorities would be a good start.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I am not defending any group - of course there are Pakistani/ Muslim grooming gangs its well documented. What is your point?
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Maybe that you would try and shut down an investigation into grooming gangs which also may in some part look into reasons why some may have dealt with these accusations very poorly and not in the interest of the victims.
Waste of time and money I believe you said, personally i would find it hard to put a maximum value or time limit on preventing a child's rape.
Maybe we should spend more time on other things? Maybe you have a tweet to share with us?
 
oldius said:
Based on what?
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My experience of working with and alongside Pakistani men; having witnessed first-hand, their behaviour towards white women. Having seen the attitude and behaviours of Pakistani men towards white women (especially those that are younger) in various other, non-working environments; having spoken to countless women who’ve encountered their behaviours. They are, undoubtedly, a section of society that is widely distrusted, disliked and rightfully now having the spotlight shone on their abusive, malignant lives.
 
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