Grooming gang scandal

Hertzblue said:
This one I presume
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I thought that was rhetorical.
If not , then yes...
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Is that still your opinion ?
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The original inquiry was comprehensive and went into detail about the issues including grooming gangs and made a number of recommendations. So, the inquiry did not cover up the issue and the findings of the inquiry were widely reported.

The Govt of the day did not cover up the issue either. They simply ignored the inquiry’s findings and recommendations and the press, seemingly, lost interest.

The current Govt seems intent on implementing the inquiry’s recommendations and that of Casey’s report, and they will be judged on how well they do this.
 
BobKowalski said:
The original inquiry was comprehensive and went into detail about the issues including grooming gangs and made a number of recommendations. So, the inquiry did not cover up the issue and the findings of the inquiry were widely reported.

The Govt of the day did not cover up the issue either. They simply ignored the inquiry’s findings and recommendations and the press, seemingly, lost interest.

The current Govt seems intent on implementing the inquiry’s recommendations and that of Casey’s report, and they will be judged on how well they do this.
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No Bob.
If the original enquiry was comprehensive and didn't cover anything up.
The Government of the day didn't cover anything up, just didn't implement the findings
Then surely all we need to do is implement the findings Yes?
Seemingly Casey, also I would imagine following this logic, felt the same at the beginning of her investigation.
Yet now having looked at the evidence , feels the need for a further enquiry.
So logic says there was some failure in the first enquiry.

The failure was that the ethnicity issue was purposely downplayed. Casey realises that.

You could pivot around semantics and say downplayed isn't covering up but I would say downplayed to cover up the extent that ethnicity plays.
 
Hertzblue said:
No Bob.
If the original enquiry was comprehensive and didn't cover anything up.
The Government of the day didn't cover anything up, just didn't implement the findings
Then surely all we need to do is implement the findings Yes?
Seemingly Casey, also I would imagine following this logic, felt the same at the beginning of her investigation.
Yet now having looked at the evidence , feels the need for a further enquiry.
So logic says there was some failure in the first enquiry.

The failure was that the ethnicity issue was purposely downplayed. Casey realises that.

You could pivot around semantics and say downplayed isn't covering up but I would say downplayed to cover up the extent that ethnicity plays.
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Yes. Implementing the recommendations of the original inquiry is the first step along with Casey’s recommendations. One of the original recommendations was ‘…produce better data on child abuse, creating a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable.’

Cooper stated that there is enough evidence in local police data in three police force areas examined “which show disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation, as well as in the significant number of perpetrators of Asian ethnicity identified in local reviews and high-profile child sexual exploitation prosecutions across the country, to at least warrant further examination”

Casey changed her mind on the need for a further inquiry due to the attitudes of authorities and institutions to face up to their own complicity and reluctance to admit fault. These defensive and unhelpful attitudes obviously still persist and that is a red flag when it comes to future cases, hence the need for a further inquiry.

The original inquiry did not gloss over the ethnicity issue as it called for this to be recorded for victims and perpetrators.
 
My position is very simple. ALL paedos should be boiled for glue.

Where I dissent from many people is that I reject the simplistic notion that this disgusting crime is only committed by one segment of the community. I think some racists are in denial about how widespread this issue is across all races, religions, social classes, political beliefs - you name it. I suspect that there are at least a few white, protestant, Anglo-Saxon City fans from Manchester who are paedos and in my book they should be boiled for glue along with the rest. Even if they descend from Alfred the Great and their dads/granddads flew Spitfires in the war.
 
oldius said:
If Jimmy Savile does not make all Yorkshiremen paedophiles, how are all Pakistani men a danger because of the depraved acts of a few?
We know that this is a racist notion, there is no getting away from it, which is why only the evidence should be considered, IN ALL CASES.
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im thinking you had a German grandparent that wasn't a Nazi, yeah?
 
BrianW said:
My position is very simple. ALL paedos should be boiled for glue.

Where I dissent from many people is that I reject the simplistic notion that this disgusting crime is only committed by one segment of the community. I think some racists are in denial about how widespread this issue is across all races, religions, social classes, political beliefs - you name it. I suspect that there are at least a few white, protestant, Anglo-Saxon City fans from Manchester who are paedos and in my book they should be boiled for glue along with the rest. Even if they descend from Alfred the Great and their dads/granddads flew Spitfires in the war.
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Who’s said that?

You’re trying to compare, but in these cases the crime was predominantly committed by one section of society.
 
Damocles said:
So can I suggest that we're all now in huge agreement that a tax raise ringfenced directly for children's social services should come in?

Because you're all so protective of these kids, you'll give an extra few quid a month to fund the people who detect and stop these abuses right?
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Quite right. Sadly most of these girls are mostly deemed a 'feral waste of space' who are undeserving of support and sympathy and who are completely ignored by huge swathes of people in society. This is unfortunately still true even if they get sexually abused and only changes if that abuser is a Pakistani...
If people actually gave a shit about them before any of that had happened, they might well have had a chance of a vaguely normal life and might not have ended up in that situation in the first place.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Who’s said that?

You’re trying to compare, but in these cases the crime was predominantly committed by one section of society.
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Lots of people are, at a minimum, implying it.

AFAIC they should ALL be boiled for glue. But I do stress, ALL of them.

There have been white grooming gangs. E.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785

The strange thing is, I don't see people claiming ALL whites are the the same, or that ALL whites should be deported. Why is that?
 
BrianW said:
Lots of people are, at a minimum, implying it.

AFAIC they should ALL be boiled for glue. But I do stress, ALL of them.

There have been white grooming gangs. E.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785

The strange thing is, I don't see people claiming ALL whites are the the same, or that ALL whites should be deported. Why is that?
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i have a couple of pub 'aquantancies' single white males of an age, who sojourn to Thailand ( not together) once or twice a year. Now, I choose to beleive that they are fascinated by the Temples and culture., as i am sure some folk are. My wife is less forgiving ....
 
Damocles said:
So can I suggest that we're all now in huge agreement that a tax raise ringfenced directly for children's social services should come in?

Because you're all so protective of these kids, you'll give an extra few quid a month to fund the people who detect and stop these abuses right?
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I understand and support the principle but sadly, I do not trust this government with financial decision making. Give them more money and they'll not deliver anything.
 
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