Grooming gang scandal

Churchlawtonblue said:
You think the country has been destroyed? This indicates to me that you havent really travelled much. Sure we have our issues but there are many worse countries than the UK.
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I've extensively travelled.

We're talking relatively.

And I refuse to use Lagos as a standard that Manchester should compare itself against.
 
Damocles said:
Sorry johnny but I have to pull you here. This is a terrible way to express the statistics.

Raw numbers do not tell a story. There has to be a per capita element to truly express raw statistics. Give percentages of offenders based on population statistics.
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True. Good point.
 
Damocles said:
So can I suggest that we're all now in huge agreement that a tax raise ringfenced directly for children's social services should come in?

Because you're all so protective of these kids, you'll give an extra few quid a month to fund the people who detect and stop these abuses right?
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I certainly would, can you kindly point out the posts from posters that have stated they wouldn't cough up a couple of quid to save men raping children? I woukd like to give them some grief.

I did read a poster saying it was a waste of time and money spending money on an inquiry. So I'm guessing he's not keen.

I missed you questioning him on that or asking people for extra on other worthy causes.

Anyhow good news Benny Hill maybe getting a statue though, I hope it doesn't cost a fortune and gets torn down if it comes out he was a wrong un:-)
 
As I said, we will the ends but not the means.

It's cheap and easy to vent on social media. We all do it. But it doesn't actually solve a thing.

Would you be prepared to pay even 1p in the £ extra tax towards solving this problem? As an individual, you might. The majority of the population would not. That's true of most issues. If not all.
 
BrianW said:
As I said, we will the ends but not the means.

It's cheap and easy to vent on social media. We all do it. But it doesn't actually solve a thing.

Would you be prepared to pay even 1p in the £ extra tax towards solving this problem? As an individual, you might. The majority of the population would not. That's true of most issues. If not all.
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How much is HS2 costing,? When did it start? When will it finish? What will it achieve?

It's a new low on Bluemoon if people actually think fellow blues in the vast majority of cases don't care about kids being raped because of a couple of quid.
 
Attempts by Rochdale Crisis Intervention Team co-ordinator for the NHS, Sara Rowbotham, to alert police and authorities to "patterns of sexual abuse" were ignored. Between 2003 and 2014, Rowbotham made more than 100 attempts to alert police and social services but was told the witnesses were not reliable.

In 2013 the Home Affairs Select Committee of the UK Parliament published a report into the Rochdale cases. The report found that responsibility for the failures to protect children was shared among police, social workers and Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) prosecutors and that the issue was a nationwide and growing issue.


Let's fund things properly but let's not deflect when people just didn't do their jobs eh?

No wonder people don't get prosecuted when too many let them off the hook so easily.
 
Yes. Implementing the recommendations of the original inquiry is the first step along with Casey’s recommendations. One of the original recommendations was ‘…produce better data on child abuse, creating a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable.’

Cooper stated that there is enough evidence in local police data in three police force areas examined “which show disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation, as well as in the significant number of perpetrators of Asian ethnicity identified in local reviews and high-profile child sexual exploitation prosecutions across the country, to at least warrant further examination”

Casey changed her mind on the need for a further inquiry due to the attitudes of authorities and institutions to face up to their own complicity and reluctance to admit fault. These defensive and unhelpful attitudes obviously still persist and that is a red flag when it comes to future cases, hence the need for a further inquiry.


Bob, Why do you believe this to be the case ?
Casey changed her mind on the need for a further inquiry due to the attitudes of authorities and institutions to face up to their own complicity and reluctance to admit fault. These defensive and unhelpful attitudes obviously still persist and that is a red flag when it comes to future cases, hence the need for a further inquiry.
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Where in her report does it say this was her motivation for her recommendation for an enquiry ? I haven't seen that .

I have to say that comment equally applies to here on these forums ...

" attitudes of authorities and institutions to face up to their own complicity and reluctance to admit fault."
For authorities and institution read BlueMoon progressives .

"These defensive and unhelpful attitudes obviously still persist" - They certainly do on here!
 
hilts said:
I certainly would, can you kindly point out the posts from posters that have stated they wouldn't cough up a couple of quid to save men raping children? I woukd like to give them some grief.
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Feel free…

Stephen Ireland's pants said:
Is this a piss take ? I would imagine a good start would be to throw the cunts in jail who the police have already identified. Then possibly stop anymore of them arriving. You have mentioned a few good social ideas but that would not stop grooming gangs .
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malg said:
Wow. Some proper apologetic cunts on here. How the fuck does someone not want to get to the bottom of this? Fuck me, just a pity Trump wasn't involved as it would be 1,000+ pages. Cunts.

This place is a cesspit.
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Who on this thread has said they don’t want to get to the bottom of it? Can you actually dig out any posts that specifically say that?

As for your obsession with the size of the Trump thread, that’s just downright fucking bizarre. Anyone would think you’ve got a permanent hard-on for the orange-faced **** with the amount of cry-arsing you’re doing about those who dare criticise him.
 
Damocles said:
Sorry johnny but I have to pull you here. This is a terrible way to express the statistics.

Raw numbers do not tell a story. There has to be a per capita element to truly express raw statistics. Give percentages of offenders based on population statistics.
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Fortunately the Casey report does provide the relevant population data for Greater Manchester, thereby allowing us to judge whether the different ethnicities have a disproportionate share of suspects. I think it’s probably useful to post the data here, so that there’s no confusion.

The 131 Asian suspects account for 54% of the total in the GMP data relating to group based cases, versus an Asian population share of 20.9% for Greater Manchester in the 2021 census.

White suspects accounted for 35% of the total, versus a population share of 56.8%.

Black suspects accounted for 3% of the total, versus an 11.9% population share. The figures for mixed race were 8% versus 5.3% population, and other races was 0% versus 5.1% population.

The data are on page 82 of the report.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Fortunately the Casey report does provide the relevant population data for Greater Manchester, thereby allowing us to judge whether the different ethnicities have a disproportionate share of suspects. I think it’s probably useful to post the data here, so that there’s no confusion.

The 131 Asian suspects account for 54% of the total in the GMP data relating to group based cases, versus an Asian population share of 20.9% for Greater Manchester in the 2021 census.

White suspects accounted for 35% of the total, versus a population share of 56.8%.

Black suspects accounted for 3% of the total, versus an 11.9% population share. The figures for mixed race were 8% versus 5.3% population, and other races was 0% versus 5.1% population.

The data are on page 82 of the report.
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But how is "Asian" defined? Asia starts at Turkey and goes east as far as Japan. at the eastern end Asia goes south as far as Indonesia. It includes all the Middle East, China, India, Japan and parts of Russia. Pakistan and Bangladesh are just a small proportion.
Is the same definition of "Asian" being used for the number of suspects and the share of population?
 
Brewster's millions said:
Fortunately the Casey report does provide the relevant population data for Greater Manchester, thereby allowing us to judge whether the different ethnicities have a disproportionate share of suspects. I think it’s probably useful to post the data here, so that there’s no confusion.

The 131 Asian suspects account for 54% of the total in the GMP data relating to group based cases, versus an Asian population share of 20.9% for Greater Manchester in the 2021 census.

White suspects accounted for 35% of the total, versus a population share of 56.8%.

Black suspects accounted for 3% of the total, versus an 11.9% population share. The figures for mixed race were 8% versus 5.3% population, and other races was 0% versus 5.1% population.

The data are on page 82 of the report.
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My babysitter should be Black then
Got it.
 
Damocles said:
Relative to the exact same country 25 years ago.

Again the "well Singapore is a late stage capitalist hellhole so we should just accept things here" is not a good argument.
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That's not really a good enough explanation without some metrics. Sorry to put you on the spot.
 
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