Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

The blue phantom said:
Yes. As has everyone else in here.

Do you condemn the IDF for slaughtering 50'000 children?

And the Settlers for stealing land and murdering Palistinians on the West Bank?
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Yes. Any loss of civilian life, obviously.

The problem I have is that far too many people are willing to conveniently forget that Hamas are a terrorist organisation hell bent on the eradication of Jews. They need/needed to be got rid of.

The subsequent actions of the Israeli government have gotten out of hand but I support the core mission of destroying Hamas.
 
I think the way to look at it is that the people at the top on both sides are cunts and would would sell their granny for a quid and quite happily kill thousands from 'the other side' for their own gratification.

The difference really is with the general population, a sweeping statement but most/an awful lot of the Israeli people could potentially move to a less stressful environment/country, as I believe some are now trying to do but, only because shit is getting real not because they have a gripe with Bibi.

The Palestinians can't and are just sitting ducks waiting to be killed or starved as the world watches on.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Yes. Any loss of civilian life, obviously.

The problem I have is that far too many people are willing to conveniently forget that Hamas are a terrorist organisation hell bent on the eradication of Jews. They need/needed to be got rid of.

The subsequent actions of the Israeli government have gotten out of hand but I support the core mission of destroying Hamas.
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The Israli Goverment is a Terrorist state too. Genocidal one.
 
Brewster's millions said:
They should have been, but it’s not especially surprising that these people become emboldened to attack an RAF base when their criminal behaviour has been so meekly accepted by the government for so long. This government and the last one for that matter.

Attacking businesses that do business in Israel, displaying terrorist paraphernalia in UK city centres at weekends, calling for the destruction of countries, anti-Semitic chanting and banners. Should all have been nipped in the bud from the very start.
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This is what I find most shocking and appalling of this whole issue. In the 70s 80s and 90s had you been throwing around leaflets and support for PIRA and RIRA or Libyan terrorists or then Al Qaeda etc you'd have been lynched. Whats is the real difference between Hamas and those we feared and dispised then? Is it because those groups actually brought it home to our shores and you can feel the hate - literally - in the form of bombs and terror attacks and plane bombings. AS that IS what Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and the Houthis etc do. Is it because its mainly to Israel that they do it that makes it ok and you can support them? Believe me when I say if these people were on our borders we'd need iron dome etc
 
Brewster's millions said:
The law should apply equally to all. And the law is clear.
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Well, let’s see. The law according to you states ‘The damage of property to advance racial, religious or ideological causes also falls under the definition of terrorism’.

You also mentioned the Stockport murders, so the subsequent riots and damage to property to advance racial and idealogical causes - in this case the cause of no more asylum seekers in this country and the racial hostility toward certain ethnic groups all of which was whipped up in part by Farage et al are terrorist acts and Reform are therefore a terrorist organisation and should be proscribed as such.

I agree, the law is clear. Reform are a terrorist organisation and their supporters should be interned. We will miss those posters on here, but the security of the nation and its people comes first.
 
Drewmanc said:
This is what I find most shocking and appalling of this whole issue. In the 70s 80s and 90s had you been throwing around leaflets and support for PIRA and RIRA or Libyan terrorists or then Al Qaeda etc you'd have been lynched. Whats is the real difference between Hamas and those we feared and dispised then? Is it because those groups actually brought it home to our shores and you can feel the hate - literally - in the form of bombs and terror attacks and plane bombings. AS that IS what Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and the Houthis etc do. Is it because its mainly to Israel that they do it that makes it ok and you can support them? Believe me when I say if these people were on our borders we'd need iron dome etc
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There were areas in Northern Ireland where they weren’t despised. In the Republic too, obviously, but you’ve inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
In the end you had to talk to these people because, not only do you need to see the perspective of the other side if you genuinely want an equitable solution and a lasting peace, but you have to acknowledge the causation of the present consequences.

Calling one side terrorists and therefore we’re right in everything we do is not only simplistic but completely wrong from the perspective of of the community you are dealing with.

You have to get to the root of the cause eventually and deal with that otherwise you will never have peace.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
There were areas in Northern Ireland where they weren’t despised. In the Republic too, obviously, but you’ve inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
In the end you had to talk to these people because, not only do you need to see the perspective of the other side if you genuinely want an equitable solution and a lasting peace, but you have to acknowledge the causation of the present consequences.

Calling one side terrorists and therefore we’re right in everything we do is not only simplistic but completely wrong from the perspective of of the community you are dealing with.

You have to get to the root of the cause eventually and deal with that otherwise you will never have peace.
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Fairy stories written hundreds of years ago by opium abusers?
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Yes. Any loss of civilian life, obviously.

The problem I have is that far too many people are willing to conveniently forget that Hamas are a terrorist organisation hell bent on the eradication of Jews. They need/needed to be got rid of.

The subsequent actions of the Israeli government have gotten out of hand but I support the core mission of destroying Hamas.
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I too support the core mission of destroying Hamas. But how do you reconcile shooting children waiting for aid with taking out terrorists?

If somebody came on this forum supporting Hamas, they'd be given short thrift. Why should it not be the same for the IDF? Is it because they're using sophisticated weaponry to commit their killings? Or do you think maybe a few prejudiced masks are slipping? I'm not going to call out one set of terrorists and then give another set a free pass. Why would I? Not only would it make me a massive hypocrite, it would also make me an amoral ****.
 
The blue phantom said:
Lol. Awee someone being nasty to Israel again and it's getting to you, you flump. You spat your dummy out when you were told Trump was going to lose and vanished for 5 months when it happened. Move along if you don't like the IDF being criticised.
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Nope, Israel are absolute cunts. I simply don’t like cunts damaging UK armed forces property. You think everything is black and white. You’ll also remember me saying that if cunts decided not to vote and got Trump, Israel would be given free rein and they’d regret it. They did the fuck about and now they’re finding out.
 
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