Weight loss jabs

[anyoldblu]

There's no magic cure and the individual has to want to get fit and healthy again.

Agreed. Your mate is likely to encounter problems, which is one of the drawbacks of not going through a comprehensive program with the NHS. Your diet has to change completely, because you can no longer eat or drink the volumes you used to, or absorb the same amount of nutrients from your food. You're also on vitamin and mineral supplements for life.

Perversely, if he had been put on a weight management program with the drugs, his food drive would diminish as would the urge to have "Cottage pie, full English breakfast and a pint of Lager". The drugs also slow digestion, so if you do overeat, you'll most likely find it coming out again from one end or the other. It's the combination of the loss of appetite and food digestion that helps with weight loss and the retraining of the body - see the set-point above.

Isn't though is it. I'd rather be a thick **** than a THICK ****.

Small brained and small portions sweetheart. You keep hiding behind excuses. Like a true Scouser, it's not your fault.

Congratulations! You've mastered the art of the sophisticated insult! I guess some people are just born with a thicker skull, and it shows.

 

[mexico1970]

Shoppers buying fewer groceries amid surge in weight-loss drugs

Supermarkets entering ‘new territory’ as households shun unhealthy snacks

www.telegraph.co.uk

Weight loss jabs could be starting to affect shopping habits in UK supermarkets

Four in five users of the drugs say they plan to eat fewer chocolates and crisps, Kantar found.

www.standard.co.uk

Weight-loss jabs suspected of fuelling dip in grocery volumes

www.independent.co.uk

Supermarkets reporting that sales are down and profits are affected, due to weight loss medication. It's time for them to put prices up again surely :)

 

[Bigga]

You asked - here's the three main points:

The Deep Psychological Impact of Food and Weight: For many, eating isn't just about hunger; it's deeply tied to emotions, stress, and even past experiences. Think of it as "comfort eating" or using food to cope with tough feelings, which is a common human response, not a weakness. When people are told to "just stop eating," it completely ignores the powerful emotional role food plays. This cycle of eating, gaining weight, and then feeling shame can trap individuals. Harvard Health Publishing offers insights into "Why people eat emotionally" and the underlying psychology read more here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-stress-causes-people-to-overeat

The Biological "Set Point" and the Body's Resistance to Weight Loss: Our bodies have a natural weight they prefer to maintain, often referred to as a "set point." When someone loses a lot of weight, their body essentially thinks it's starving. It fights back by slowing down metabolism (burning fewer calories even at rest) and ramping up hunger hormones, making you feel constantly hungry even after eating. This isn't a lack of effort; it's your body trying to return to its normal weight. This is why "yo-yo dieting" is so standard. Johns Hopkins Medicine explains "The Science of Why You Regain Weight, Even After Successful Diets," detailing how biology works against long-term maintenance, see here: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/maintaining-weight-loss

Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs) and Their Impact on Brain Function and Cravings: These aren't just "bad foods"; they're engineered to make you overeat. UPFs are packed with just the right mix of sugar, unhealthy fats, and salt to hit a "bliss point," making them incredibly appealing and, for some, genuinely addictive. They can essentially hijack your brain's reward system, leading to constant "food noise" – those intrusive thoughts about eating, even when you're not hungry. It's not about simple hunger; it's your brain responding to powerful, designed-in cues. Dr. Chris van Tulleken's book "Ultra-Processed People" is a fantastic and accessible resource that explains exactly how these foods affect our brains and bodies. There's a good video here:




Better than being small-brained ;-)

Great response to a question I didn't ask.

I didn't ask why people are addicted, I asked why people are not addressing the underlying factors with their relationship with food. And I acknowledge some people have a natural addiction issue, but that's not most people's cases.

Once that underlying issue is locked in to control/ understand, control of food should be way easier once breaking the habit/ routine of comfort eating.

 

[SWP's back]

Diabetes drug abused by fat lazy cunts everywhere. Get to the fucking gym and stop shoving everything down your throat. Will be permanently stuck in a cycle of being a fat **** then shedding weight with drugs.

Heart attack by 55.

As someone that’s very fit and has a 6 pack at 43, goes to the gym for resistance training 6 days a week and does 5 days a week of cardio in addition to that, I think I’m fairly well placed to respond to this (in that no one can say I’m disagreeing as I feel attacked).

My response is absolutely fucking not. People fall into bad habits over many years and if six months on Ozempic or similar is enough to break the habit of bored = eat and reduce their appetite and change their habits then the cost of the drugs to the NHS will be massively outweighed by the long term saving they’ll gain from obesity related illnesses and co-morbidities.

This could well be a game changer for the country (the US, for the first time since the 40’s is seeing a reduction in obesity as an example).

Anything for a fitter, healthier population is great news. Especially as the majority will now be expected to work until they’re 70. For added benefit, any prescription should also include education on calorie thermodynamics so that people don’t fall back into bad habits.

 

[mexico1970]

As someone that’s very fit and has a 6 pack at 43, goes to the gym for resistance training 6 days a week and does 5 days a week of cardio in addition to that, I think I’m fairly well placed to respond to this (in that no one can say I’m disagreeing as I feel attacked).

My response is absolutely fucking not. People fall into bad habits over many years and if six months on Ozempic or similar is enough to break the habit of bored = eat and reduce their appetite and change their habits then the cost of the drugs to the NHS will be massively outweighed by the long term saving they’ll gain from obesity related illnesses and co-morbidities.

This could well be a game changer for the country (the US, for the first time since the 40’s is seeing a reduction in obesity as an example).

Anything for a fitter, healthier population is great news. Especially as the majority will now be expected to work until they’re 70. For added benefit, any prescription should also include education on calorie thermodynamics so that people don’t fall back into bad habits.

I can't possibly find a way to disagree with that even if I was playing Devils advocate.

 

[SWP's back]

Fat fukers who are too lazy to eat & exercise properly…….no wonder the NHS is fuked

Again, a terrible take.

I’d love to see full body pictures of everyone calling everyone else fat, lazy fuckers.

Ozempic breaks the cycle of people with large stomachs thinking about food every time said stomach isn’t full and unlike most fad diets, the majority of the weight stays off even when people stop taking it (because they’ve broken that link and are now aware that they don’t NEED to each as much as they were doing).

Go on to fitness forums and you’ll see post after post of people saying that such drugs finally stopped people thinking about food 24/7.

We (humans) never evolved to be able to eat such a large amount of sugary calories in such a short time span. Our brains are literally hardwired to produce feel good endorphins when we eat a McDonald’s or 3 pints of ice cream. Sure, we can call every a fat lazy slob, or we can use a drug that stops that link and educate them on how to be healthier.

 

[N1985]

As someone that’s very fit and has a 6 pack at 43, goes to the gym for resistance training 6 days a week and does 5 days a week of cardio in addition to that, I think I’m fairly well placed to respond to this (in that no one can say I’m disagreeing as I feel attacked).

My response is absolutely fucking not. People fall into bad habits over many years and if six months on Ozempic or similar is enough to break the habit of bored = eat and reduce their appetite and change their habits then the cost of the drugs to the NHS will be massively outweighed by the long term saving they’ll gain from obesity related illnesses and co-morbidities.

This could well be a game changer for the country (the US, for the first time since the 40’s is seeing a reduction in obesity as an example).

Anything for a fitter, healthier population is great news. Especially as the majority will now be expected to work until they’re 70. For added benefit, any prescription should also include education on calorie thermodynamics so that people don’t fall back into bad habits.

First of all fair play, I know only too well at 39 the dedication and discipline it takes to have abs at nearly 40, hope I'm still there at 43. So you definitely understand the sacrifices we make on a daily basis that other people are just not willing to make.

I've seen first hand people hammering these drugs for months and completely shed the excess pounds, only to put the weight back on two fold over the next few months, thinking, that come April they can just pump themselves full of it again. There is major studies and concrete proof that ballooning then dieting causes severe stress in all organs of the body especially the heart. That is where I believe the problem will not be now, but in 10/15 years time, when the NHS will be needed to sort this problem out.

As for your comment about the prescription should also include some education, I'd suggest the education is needed way before the jab. As we know 99% of people don't read any corresponding literature with anything and will just than themselves. Maybe spend the money on seriously promoting healthy living. There is far more that can be done as a prevention method, especially in schools and colleges, although the younger generation are doing a far better job than our generation ever did on looking after themselves from a physical point of view.

People who stop weight loss drugs return to original weight within year, analysis finds

Research raises questions about long-term treatment of and support for people using weight loss drugs

www.theguardian.com

People just don't keep the weight off as they are not willing to do the mental side of the diet

 

[dronefromsector7G]

As someone that’s very fit and has a 6 pack at 43, goes to the gym for resistance training 6 days a week and does 5 days a week of cardio in addition to that, I think I’m fairly well placed to respond to this (in that no one can say I’m disagreeing as I feel attacked).

My response is absolutely fucking not. People fall into bad habits over many years and if six months on Ozempic or similar is enough to break the habit of bored = eat and reduce their appetite and change their habits then the cost of the drugs to the NHS will be massively outweighed by the long term saving they’ll gain from obesity related illnesses and co-morbidities.

This could well be a game changer for the country (the US, for the first time since the 40’s is seeing a reduction in obesity as an example).

Anything for a fitter, healthier population is great news. Especially as the majority will now be expected to work until they’re 70. For added benefit, any prescription should also include education on calorie thermodynamics so that people don’t fall back into bad habits.

I’m 48 and I’ve got a six pack. It’s in the fridge and I’ll be cracking the first one open in about 2 hours.

 

[SWP's back]

I’m 48 and I’ve got a six pack. It’s in the fridge and I’ll be cracking the first one open in about 2 hours.

;-)

 

[Packrat]

As someone that’s very fit and has a 6 pack at 43, goes to the gym for resistance training 6 days a week and does 5 days a week of cardio in addition to that, I think I’m fairly well placed to respond to this (in that no one can say I’m disagreeing as I feel attacked).

My response is absolutely fucking not. People fall into bad habits over many years and if six months on Ozempic or similar is enough to break the habit of bored = eat and reduce their appetite and change their habits then the cost of the drugs to the NHS will be massively outweighed by the long term saving they’ll gain from obesity related illnesses and co-morbidities.

This could well be a game changer for the country (the US, for the first time since the 40’s is seeing a reduction in obesity as an example).

Anything for a fitter, healthier population is great news. Especially as the majority will now be expected to work until they’re 70. For added benefit, any prescription should also include education on calorie thermodynamics so that people don’t fall back into bad habits.

That's a grest post, similar to my train of thought. It's a start for many people to change their life. When they notice, and feel that change, most will cary on with a healthy choice, and anyone to anyone on here taking the jabs, well done for taking that step.

 

[mexico1970]

That's a grest post, similar to my train of thought. It's a start for many people to change their life. When they notice, and feel that change, most will cary on with a healthy choice, and anyone to anyone on here taking the jabs, well done for taking that step.

It's great when someone who is very healthy and fit gives someone just starting off on their fitness journey a lift by supporting them to give them confidence.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

I’m an FOC and noticed the last few years I’d put a lot of fat on around the middle, due in no small part to years working away with nothing else to do but eat and drink. Have to admit my diet was awful, lots of chocolate, biscuits, flapjacks, chips, pizza etc. Two months ago I decided to do something about it. I started riding my bike again, and started the couch to 5k. But the biggest change was to all the crap I was eating, 4 chocolate bars a day at work, plus a flapjack, then chips from the canteen. I no longer eat any of that stuff, and have even started cooking healthy meals. I’ve lost a stone and generally feel healthier, and my skin seems to have improved. I’ve also saved a fair bit of money by not repeatedly visiting the vending machine at work.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It's great when someone who is very healthy and fit gives someone just starting off on their fitness journey a lift by supporting them to give them confidence.

The positivity and constructive advice is fine, but there has to be a place for shouting 'roland' and 'hey fattie boom boom' too. The shame and negativity around being fat is an important motivating factor in the weight loss journey.

 

[mexico1970]

The positivity and constructive advice is fine, but there has to be a place for shouting 'roland' and 'hey fattie boom boom' too. The shame and negativity around being fat is an important motivating factor in the weight loss journey.

I think the body positivity push is responsible for some of that white noise mate, it's not OK to be overweight and unhealthy should be the message but that should be couched in how to live a healthy life in a very unhealthy modern society with its access to fast food and shit faddy diets etc.

Why am I fat?
It's OK to be fat!
Being fat is unhealthy?
I have had no problems with my weight health wise.

Living in a binary world where being wrong can be deemed as being right because it has support from "Influencers" and activists must be difficult for Roland.

 

[Odd socks]

If you think this jab is a fat dissolving cheat code then you couldn't be more wrong, just because you have no need for it doesn't give you a reason to think it's just that.
Being on it myself I never feel particularly hungry and what I choose is given more thought rather than just eating anything.
I grew up finishing my plate rather than stopping when I had had enough but not now, eating is still a pleasure but for whatever reason I know when enough is enough. Calories in will always determine the outcome and it will always have people who will return to old ways.
Reading this thread it's almost like some people want the overweight people who are doing something to fail or feel ashamed of using the injection route, I've lost 2 pounds a week for the 10 weeks so a stone and a half and will see where it goes.
If people do get it via the NHS it will probably cost maybe £1200 a year at cost price and bulk buying per person so compared to the medicine obese people require them it's a winner.
If you're on on it don't be ashamed, embrace it because your doing it for yourself otherwise you'll end up like those Viagra takers who are not man enough to admit they need help and tell everyone they still got the same erection they had at 18.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If you think this jab is a fat dissolving cheat code then you couldn't be more wrong, just because you have no need for it doesn't give you a reason to think it's just that.
Being on it myself I never feel particularly hungry and what I choose is given more thought rather than just eating anything.
I grew up finishing my plate rather than stopping when I had had enough but not now, eating is still a pleasure but for whatever reason I know when enough is enough. Calories in will always determine the outcome and it will always have people who will return to old ways.
Reading this thread it's almost like some people want the overweight people who are doing something to fail or feel ashamed of using the injection route, I've lost 2 pounds a week for the 10 weeks so a stone and a half and will see where it goes.
If people do get it via the NHS it will probably cost maybe £1200 a year at cost price and bulk buying per person so compared to the medicine obese people require them it's a winner.
If you're on on it don't be ashamed, embrace it because your doing it for yourself otherwise you'll end up like those Viagra takers who are not man enough to admit they need help and tell everyone they still got the same erection they had at 18.

Tbh, at £1200 a year I'd buy it myself - it's probably saved me more than that on food.

 

[eric pode of croydon]

I’m 48 and I’ve got a six pack. I’ll be cracking one off in about 2 hours.

 

[117 M34]

Tbh, at £1200 a year I'd buy it myself - it's probably saved me more than that on food.

You can buy it off the Internet for a lot cheaper than £1200 a year

 

[Two Gun Bob]

You can buy it off the Internet for a lot cheaper than £1200 a year

Where is that mate and are they bona-fide suppliers? The best I can see advertised are a few introductory offers on the initial 2.5mg teasing dose at around £120 and then as the dose increases so do the subsequent monthly prices up to £200 plus.

The only way that I can see to average the price down on Mounjaro is by using the "golden dose" to extract the final 0.6ml from the priming surplus.

As previously mentioned you can, when on the higher dosages, order a higher strength than you actually need and simply adjust the dosage pens end switch down to 30 clicks as opposed to 60 cliks, which will effectively give you eight 7.5ml shots from a 15ml pen. Probably averaging out at circa £90 a month or much less if you take the golden dose into consideration.

However the chap on here that mentioned Oviva, is bang on the money with his quality recommendation, because you can actually get it for free on referral. This is because under the Right to Choose framework, patients in England have a choice of any clinically appropriate health service provider offering elective, consultant-led services that holds a commissioning contract with any NHS Integrated Care Board.

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@anyoldblu

 

[117 M34]

Where is that mate and are they bona-fide suppliers? The best I can see advertised are a few introductory offers on the initial 2.5mg teasing dose at around £120 and then as the dose increases so do the subsequent monthly prices up to £200 plus.

The only way that I can see to average the price down on Mounjaro is by using the "golden dose" to extract the final 0.6ml from the priming surplus.

As previously mentioned you can, when on the higher dosages, order a higher strength than you actually need and simply adjust the dosage pens end switch down to 30 clicks as opposed to 60 cliks, which will effectively give you eight 7.5ml shots from a 15ml pen. Probably averaging out at circa £90 a month or much less if you take the golden dose into consideration.

However the chap on here that mentioned Oviva, is bang on the money with his quality recommendation, because you can actually get it for free on referral. This is because under the Right to Choose framework, patients in England have a choice of any clinically appropriate health service provider offering elective, consultant-led services that holds a commissioning contract with any NHS Integrated Care Board.

Home

Discover Oviva’s weight management app and weight loss medication. Designed to help you make lasting healthy changes. Find out if you’re eligible.

oviva.com

@anyoldblu

I've just bought 20mg of retatrutide off stedsnmeds for £110.
20mg mounjaro is £90 on chiltonlabs but they only sell to previous customers now.