Media discussion - 2024/25

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Wasn't responding to you, just the clown on Sky Sports.

Fair enough, but it didn't read like that.

As for Klopp, he didn't say that in Qatar in 2019.

He was more than happy for himself, his team, and Liverpool to be in the competition. And when Liverpool won it, their fans went on, and on, and in about it for months. I'm sure when Liverpool are in it again, Klopp will be supporting Liverpool and doing TV work on their behalf.

Klopp like a lot of people in football have very short memories.
 
The CWC is a joke. It's a completely needless set of extra games shoved into an already shrinking summer gap designed purely to force competitve games with elite European teams into the American market with no regard for player welfare.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with football competition or globalisation. Football is a world game and there should be a global club competition. I think replacing the current annual Club World Cup with a 4 yearly large tournament is a good idea. I agree that the football calendar needs to be sorted out but there has been a lot of nonsense written in the media about the Club World Cup, a lot of it filled by the prejudice of the BBC and liberal commentators for non-Western world.
 
Fair enough, but it didn't read like that.

As for Klopp, he didn't say that in Qatar in 2019.

He was more than happy for himself, his team, and Liverpool to be in the competition. And when Liverpool won it, their fans went on, and on, and in about it for months. I'm sure when Liverpool are in it again, Klopp will be supporting Liverpool and doing TV work on their behalf.

Klopp like a lot of people in football have very short memories.

Yeah that was on me. Apologies.

And the CWC in its original format, I can forgive, even if its a little unnecessary in its placement in the season.

But I just think pooling 32 teams together right at the end of the European football calendar for this in the middle of an American summer after so many players have repeatedly complained about fixture congestion is just tone deaf on the part of FIFA and really just screams that at the end of the day, they're cattle for the people in suits to make the real money from the game without risking their bodies in any way.
 
It was a bit like the Sporting Lisbon CL game. We missed loads of chances but were wide open at the back. I don’t understand why we can’t leave a couple of players deeper to shut the door. And why did Bernie play almost the whole match?
Very disappointing. I reject the view from others than the tournament is of no consequence. It will become a fixture and most importantly, we as a club bought into it, and yet crashed the moment we played a good side, and all the old failings were exposed. Perhaps that was inevitable given that Kovacic was out and that Rodri is in the early stages of recovery.

I was getting very optimistic about City but now I have crashed back down to Earth.
 
Fair enough, but it didn't read like that.

As for Klopp, he didn't say that in Qatar in 2019.

He was more than happy for himself, his team, and Liverpool to be in the competition. And when Liverpool won it, their fans went on, and on, and in about it for months. I'm sure when Liverpool are in it again, Klopp will be supporting Liverpool and doing TV work on their behalf.

Klopp like a lot of people in football have very short memories.
I would imagine it is the new format Klopp has beef with which many others do too. Klopp works for a side that was in this tournament. It has nothing to do with his history with Liverpool why he was against it. I am glad we participated, glad of the money we gained from it and disappointed we went out to that level of team but can't say I am gutted that we now get to go home and rest
 
Tore City apart??

Gaughan writing bollocks again.

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Buckled AGAIN? We've made a habit out of winning trophies when the going got tough.....

Manchester City honours in the last decade:
  • Premier League: 2017-18, 2018-19, 2020-21, 2021-22, 2022-23, 2023-24.
    • FA Cup: 2018-19, 2022-23.
    • League Cup (EFL Cup): 2015-16, 2017-18, 2018-19, 2019-20, 2020-21.
    • Champions League: 2022-23.
    • UEFA Super Cup: 2023.
    • FIFA Club World Cup: 2023.
    • FA Community Shield: 2018, 2019.
 
Very disappointing. I reject the view from others than the tournament is of no consequence. It will become a fixture and most importantly, we as a club bought into it, and yet crashed the moment we played a good side, and all the old failings were exposed. Perhaps that was inevitable given that Kovacic was out and that Rodri is in the early stages of recovery.

I was getting very optimistic about City but now I have crashed back down to Earth.
It is your own fault getting optimistic off the back of a couple of games in a new tournament in the summer. Take it for what it is, at times we looked great but we still have frailties that won't be solved within a few weeks of a shit season ending whilst bedding in new players.
 
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with football competition or globalisation. Football is a world game and there should be a global club competition. I think replacing the current annual Club World Cup with a 4 yearly large tournament is a good idea. I agree that the football calendar needs to be sorted out but there has been a lot of nonsense written in the media about the Club World Cup, a lot of it filled by the prejudice of the BBC and liberal commentators for non-Western world.

Saying the football calendar needs to be sorted out seems like an oxymoron after defending a cup format that asks 32 teams from all over the world to travel to one location either right after a full season or directly in the middle of it.

If we insist on doing this, I'd look at potentially doing something similar to the World Baseball Classic next time around and localising the group stage in a different format. Maybe look at having group stages involving continents paired off with each other to avoid the travel.

Also, trying to dismiss the criticism for the tournament as being BBC prejudice and "liberal commentators" just seems ridiculous, when FIFPRO themselves called the organisation of it "abuse of dominance".

 
It is your own fault getting optimistic off the back of a couple of games in a new tournament in the summer. Take it for what it is, at times we looked great but we still have frailties that won't be solved within a few weeks of a shit season ending whilst bedding in new players.

I was hopeful for the effect of the new signings. I thought the game against Juve was significant and it looked like there was a feel good factor developing which is important in football. Confidence is important, but despite the signings, we still cannot defend against counter-attacks. I should have realised that we haven't addressed that.

We seem to be relying on Rodri's recovery. That looks like a mistake now. You can have Cherki, Doku and Haaland but if you can't shut the door, what's the point. It's a very basic problem but always fans get seduced by forwards. I am guilty of that.
 
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with football competition or globalisation. Football is a world game and there should be a global club competition. I think replacing the current annual Club World Cup with a 4 yearly large tournament is a good idea. I agree that the football calendar needs to be sorted out but there has been a lot of nonsense written in the media about the Club World Cup, a lot of it filled by the prejudice of the BBC and liberal commentators for non-Western world.
It won’t survive in this format. A 4 year qualification process makes no sense, the international version is 2 years but ensures at least some level of consistency is required towards the end of the qualifying group games to guarantee the team is at the right standard. Then you can’t build up support from the fans for it. Other than for those fans of the teams that qualify it means very little to everyone else, it’s such a small pool of interest and the fact it’s another 4 years to the next one makes that worse as they’ll have no memory of this one when it comes around again. The players don’t want it and they struggled to sell this one to any sponsors.

Although I have enjoyed watching it, because we were in it, I really don’t see it surviving in the calendar. It has to be at least bi-annual or even annual but that relies on teams agreeing to re-structure their own home association and/or confederation competitions to reduce games, which means less gate money and winning potential. Only the usual suspects are voting for that.
 
I was hopeful for the effect of the new signings. I thought the game against Juve was significant and it looked like there was a feel good factor developing which is important in football. Confidence is important, but despite the signings, we still cannot defend against counter-attacks. I should have realised that we haven't addressed that.

We seem to be relying on Rodri's recovery. That looks like a mistake now. You can have Cherki, Doku and Haaland but if you can't shut the door, what's the point. It's a very basic problem but always fans get seduced by forwards. I am guilty of that.
We have always been open to being countered on due to how we play. That playing style may slowly change with time which means we move quicker. Rodri is key to that but we do need to plan around any absence from him. Even what you have listed there, we will be great going forwards, even if that means we are leaky at the back, at least it won't be like the boring passive football we endured last time. It will take time mate, we rotated every game, we was playing in extreme conditions and our new coaches and signings need time to adapt and make their mark. Just as it was important not to get carried away after Juve, the same applies here. Let them now have a break, come back and look like they are enjoying it again and build.
 
A guy on sly sports news supposedly a city fan (Lawrence bury)keeps calling us man city, getting irate listening to him.
 
Saying the football calendar needs to be sorted out seems like an oxymoron after defending a cup format that asks 32 teams from all over the world to travel to one location either right after a full season or directly in the middle of it.

If we insist on doing this, I'd look at potentially doing something similar to the World Baseball Classic next time around and localising the group stage in a different format. Maybe look at having group stages involving continents paired off with each other to avoid the travel.

Also, trying to dismiss the criticism for the tournament as being BBC prejudice and "liberal commentators" just seems ridiculous, when FIFPRO themselves called the organisation of it "abuse of dominance".

The criticism of the Club World Club has been explained in detail by the BBC's Dan Roan amongst others. It is overtly political. If I put a football hat on, my framework for the football calendar would be a domestic league, a domestic Cup, the CL and a Club world Cup every 4 years and a reduction in international games. We are living in a global world and there should be a World Cup of clubs.
 
With all due respect (none), go fuck yourself.

I know we have our issues with Klopp but he isn't wrong.
He's absolutely wrong.

If he wants his players to have a rest he has 12 months a year to schedule it in.

What klopp wants is for his players to have a rest on someone else's time.
 
The criticism of the Club World Club has been explained in detail by the BBC's Dan Roan amongst others. It is overtly political. If I put a football hat on, my framework for the football calendar would be a domestic league, a domestic Cup, the CL and a Club world Cup every 4 years and a reduction in international games. We are living in a global world and there should be a World Cup of clubs.
If anything, if a global club competition is needed then it’s the CL that needs reducing. It doesn’t need to be 15 games or whatever it is to win it when the CWC is only 7.
 
The criticism of the Club World Club has been explained in detail by the BBC's Dan Roan amongst others. It is overtly political. If I put a football hat on, my framework for the football calendar would be a domestic league, a domestic Cup, the CL and a Club world Cup every 4 years and a reduction in international games. We are living in a global world and there should be a World Cup of clubs.

Agree on there being only one domestic cup a year as well as a reduction in international games.

But we have the World Cup and the continental championships. A Club World Cup isn't a celebration of the global appeal of football (which by the way isn't some new thing, football has had global appeal for decades, Man Utd were profiting from their international standing in the 90s). It's a cynical vanity project on the part of a massive egotist.

Look at the attendances for this compared to the World Cup and the Euros. Footballs global appeal does not need the CWC to prosper.
 
I don't know what the state of overtraining is in English football but the basis of competition should be around a domestic league, domestic cup, European comp with a World Cup at the pyramid. I am not sure what the basis is for overtraining in the English game are but if they are real, then the targets should be the low quality games like league cup and internationals
 
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